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Daisy, herself conceived in rape and who bravely ensured her biological father was brought to just decades after her 13 year old mother had been raped, is challenging to get the law changed. Without official victim status any child of rape has no legal status and cannot press for prosecutions nor be kept up to date with cases.

If you can please donate to help Daisy, backed by the Centre for Women's Justice, pay her legal fees. Thank you.

https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/forgotten-victims/

Daisy says: " I want to change the law so that children born as a result of a rape can be recognised as secondary victims of crime. I also want to appeal to the authorities to consider ‘victimless’/evidence-based prosecutions in historic rape cases where there is compelling documentary and forensic evidence available which could conceivably result in a conviction. Finally, my legal team have advised me that I might have grounds to take legal action against West Midlands Police arising from past failings – but if I am to do this, I will need help covering at least some of my lawyers’ costs, like Counsel’s fees and other expenses.

Widening the definition of ‘victims’ in this way will, I hope, also mean that there can be specific support for individuals and families affected by rape conception, which is a complex issue about which there has, as yet been little research. "

Daisy, herself conceived in rape and who bravely ensured her biological father was brought to just decades after her 13 year old mother had been raped, is challenging to get the law changed. Without official victim status any child of rape has no legal status and cannot press for prosecutions nor be kept up to date with cases. If you can please donate to help Daisy, backed by the Centre for Women's Justice, pay her legal fees. Thank you. https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/forgotten-victims/ Daisy says: " I want to change the law so that children born as a result of a rape can be recognised as secondary victims of crime. I also want to appeal to the authorities to consider ‘victimless’/evidence-based prosecutions in historic rape cases where there is compelling documentary and forensic evidence available which could conceivably result in a conviction. Finally, my legal team have advised me that I might have grounds to take legal action against West Midlands Police arising from past failings – but if I am to do this, I will need help covering at least some of my lawyers’ costs, like Counsel’s fees and other expenses. Widening the definition of ‘victims’ in this way will, I hope, also mean that there can be specific support for individuals and families affected by rape conception, which is a complex issue about which there has, as yet been little research. "

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My nephew is a product of rape. My sister did not come out of the trauma fog enough until she was nearly 7 months pregnant. There are many women in the same situation. These women and children are vulnerable whether raised by the mothers or adopted out. Rapists have more rights (even when in prison) than women do just existing lawfully.

Sexual assault crimes need to be punished more heavily, period. I love this approach.

Huh, I love when feminist spaces like this lead me to consider stuff I'd never really thought of before.

[–] MissBehaved 25 points Edited

Extremely important after the Roe v Wade reversal. It is clear that a woman was raped if her child is only 10-16 years younger than her. Put these monsters in prison. There should be no statute of limitation on when a child can prosecute the rapist.

[–] Carrots90 22 points Edited

This is such a good case.

It will help the police get a better prosecution rate than 1.6 percent!!!!

They won’t even have to take time off from harassing middle aged (female, always female) gender heretics

The child whose mom is only 11 years older than her can do all the work

Widening the definition of ‘victims’ in this way will, I hope, also mean that there can be specific support for individuals and families affected by rape conception, which is a complex issue about which there has, as yet been little research

The damage caused by sexual abuse ripples outward and can effect far more people than just the initial victim.

My heart goes out to Daisy and I'm "happy" (feels weird in the context) that she was ultimately capable to help her birthmother get justice (I hope they can celebrate together), yet I have a lot of general questions here :

  1. Essentially, children conceived from rape would be victims of wrongful birth? They clearly are affected by the crime, yet they cannot be victims the same way their (birth) mother was.

  2. Theoretically : could a child sue, even though the mother maintains it was consensual?

  3. If the fact that the child is the product of rape withheld from said child (the mother could choose not to divulge) and somehow it comes out, could the mother now be liable? Is she under any obligation to share details?

  4. Could the child, or it's DNA become evidence?

Please, don't get me wrong : I wholeheartedly believe that people like Daisy should have a right to be informed (and should have a right to not be informed, if they choose), but I'm not sure how I stand on this specific proposal.

Generally, I wish crimes of sexual nature were taken more seriously. Also the support for victims is really bad.

I believe that number 4 is exactly what happened with Daisy. they knew her age, they knew her mother's age therefore her mother was two young to consent so bingo her DNA proved her biological father a rapist. It only went ahead though I think because her biological mother agreed to participate in the prosecution.

What Daisy wants as I understand it is for the child to be a secondary victim of the rape (not of wrongful birth) and to have a claim to be kept informed by the police. Also if a mother is underage (16 in the UK - slightly older if the father is the child's teacher or doctor I think), then the mother cannot consent (your point 2) so the DNA proved father is a rapist whatever the mother maintains. Daisy wants such children as herself from underage mothers to be able to pursue the rape prosecution even if mum has moved on and does not want to revisit the situation. all that is needed for such a conviction surely is proof of the mother's age (public record) and proof of fatherhood (the DNA of the child). Equally if the mother has died, the adult child could chose to pursue a prosecution based wholly on the mother's age at her birth and her own DNA.

Theoretically : could a child sue, even though the mother maintains it was consensual?

I think this would only be possible if the mother was underage when she got pregnant and the sperm donor was an adult (so whether or not the mother claims to have consented is irrelevant because its still legally a rape)

If the fact that the child is the product of rape withheld from said child (the mother could choose not to divulge) and somehow it comes out, could the mother now be liable? Is she under any obligation to share details?

This is another tough call. But, ultimately, I don't think its the mother's responsibility to share her rape trauma with anyone (even her own children). She's the primary victim. So she shouldn't be punished for keeping it to herself

Please, don't get me wrong : I wholeheartedly believe that people like Daisy should have a right to be informed (and should have a right to not be informed, if they choose), but I'm not sure how I stand on this specific proposal.

You raised a good point. We need to ensure that this kind of law doesn't impact the mothers in any way.