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Update concerning this post.

Today I got an email that said they want to publish my letter! Only, they have a couple of clarifications first... And then proceed to ask some really stupid questions. I mean....sigh...

Honestly, I think the reason this movement has so much momentum is because people are stupid.

I'm very discouraged.

Update concerning [this post.](https://ovarit.com/o/Activism/33258/wrote-a-letter-to-the-editor) Today I got an email that said they want to publish my letter! Only, they have a couple of clarifications first... And then proceed to ask some really stupid questions. I mean....sigh... Honestly, I think the reason this movement has so much momentum is because people are stupid. I'm very discouraged.

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[–] mil-bil 2 points (+2|-0)

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you.

These days I feel that Helen Joyce is my model for clarity. I especially enjoyed Benjamin Boyce's interviews with her. He's a pretty good interviewer in that he positions himself as a foil to feminist interviewees, so he makes the interviewees explain things without assuming shared values.

But Joyce is a whole other class of clear and compelling speaker. I'm taking notes. And looking forward to her book coming out this summer.

Did you watch The Mess yesterday? Somebody mentioned that Helen Joyce's book will be THE book in this debate.

[–] mil-bil 1 points (+1|-0)

Yes, I saw that! Can't wait for the book. I've been watching any and all interviews with her I can find, and seeking out her articles. She is an incredible role model when it comes to clear and specific argumentation. I want to learn from her.

We need to foster our analysis and argumentation in feminist spaces but, ultimately, we need to work on taking it beyond our spaces. And that means speaking without the assumption of shared understanding. We need to keep researching which of our terms function as "dog whistles" and ultimately have a strange and/or outright untrue meaning outside feminist spaces, and we need to keep refining our arguments and language to build a broader allyship around the issues we want to fight for.

Yes, yes, yes, absolutely. One way I love to use Ovarit is like a graduate seminar room, where I lay out an idea I have and see how people respond. It helps me articulate things, which improves my thinking, which improves my articulation...

But you are right, that is always presenting to people who share a basic background understanding. It's much harder for me to explain these ideas to my husband and friends.

I am reading Material Girls right now, and when I bought it I thought "great, I'm going to pick up how to talk like a philosopher!" It is very good but...I'm hearing that Joyce's is going to blow it out of the water. Can't wait!!!!