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My teacher brought it up in psych class. I'm genuinely concerned I tried looking it because I'm highly concerned. Are there other factors. Someone explain and help

My teacher brought it up in psych class. I'm genuinely concerned I tried looking it because I'm highly concerned. Are there other factors. Someone explain and help

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[–] hontrapoints 53 points Edited

No. There were some surveys in the 70s and 80s which indicated that around half of the surveyed women have had "forced seduction" fantasies at some point in their lives, or something to that effect.

Heterosexual women don't have fantasies about being raped by a disgusting man they have no attraction to, which is what men want to believe. Heterosexual women fantasize about men they're attracted to "pushing" them to have sex so they can mentally assuage the guilt of having sexual desires by thinking they were made to do it

It's nothing but misogyny and males refusing to understand anything about women and how women are systematically shamed out of having sexual desires to the point where they feel too uncomfortable to admit them

I can understand women in the 70s and 80s were raised in a different time, but why would young women now still feel guilty about having sex? It's widely considered normal to have sex outside of marriage, except in more conservative churches. In fact, it's gone so far in the other direction that an adult female virgin is considered weird and abnormal by mainstream society. Are there more recent studies showing that large numbers of younger women still have these types of fantasies, or are they all relying on old data?

[–] Lilith 22 points Edited

The other explanation behind fantasies involving force is the widespread sexual trauma in women. if you have been raped or if you've watched forceful porn or even seen content like Game of Thrones which was basically rape porn,, you can develop such a strong fear association with sex it becomes hard to imagine consensual sex.

20% of women have been raped in the US and 81% have been sexually harassed. 88% of porn contain acts of aggression and women are watching more porn. 33% of women watch porn today. All of these influences can reshape a woman's relationship with sex, distorting it towards true self-destructive urges.

This especially rings true when you factor in epigenetics and the theory of the trauma can be passed down through genes

I agree porn is to blame for some of it. But unfortunately women were writing rape fantasies long before porn was mainstream.

I've never been raped, but I don't see why it would be hard to imagine consensual sex. It's still the standard in mainstream media. The average romantic comedy doesn't feature a rapist in the lead role.

I feel women have been encouraged to have more sex without the typical ideas of female 'promiscuity' having been dealt with first: TV and magazines and your libfem friends might insist on your having sex, but men will still consider you a slut. Instead of abolishing the idea of the 'slut' altogether, we now just encourage women to be 'sluts' and reclaim the term. But I don't think most women have embraced that idea. They don't want to be considered sluts. Hence a fantasy like this that 'absolves' them of their own sexual desires. How bleak is that, truly?

You may be on to something with that. Being a "slut" is still considered bad. Maybe some women are still very conditioned to think that their enjoyment of sex makes them "sluts."

why would young women now still feel guilty about having sex?

Young women today are pushed to have sex they don't want, in ways they don't want it. In the old days women were pushed to have sex with their husbands, but now they are pushed to have sex with any guy who wants it. It didn't get better and nobody except feminists want to talk about it. Consent was a serious topic only for a little bit somewhere in the late 2000s, then it got drowned under this new rhetoric of "transphobic genital preference". I wouldn't be surprised at all that young women today struggle with a bombardment of messages about force and sex, and that affects their ideas of sex.

It burns me up how consent as a discussion topic has now turned into "how do I manipulate someone into saying yes so I don't feel bad about my abusive desires" instead of "how do I ensure both of us are genuinely doing only what we sincerely want to do with each other." "Consent is sexy!" they simper. Consent is mandatory and is only real if uncoerced.

why would young women now still feel guilty about having sex?

Purity ring / purity culture/ publicly declared abstinence reached a very defined presence in the 90s-2000s inside evangelical church influence but also in the general public. I'm pretty sure even the Jonas brothers took chastity vows and wore rings or something

Yeah, but that was inside evangelical Christianity. The Jonas Brothers used to be very Christian. Their dad was a pastor and they were raised Assemblies of God.

Now at least one of them gets off on strangling women. We live in a sick world.

In fact, it's gone so far in the other direction that an adult female virgin is considered weird and abnormal by mainstream society.

Yep, and that isn’t new, either, I reached adulthood in the ‘80s and was being told not-so-subtly then that being a virgin was weird.

Someone posted this, from 2009.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19085605/

I feel sick. 62% is horrible.

Thanks for the link to the study. It's just so depressing.