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There is a maternity-related bill going through legislation in the UK. It was drafted in part by the Government Legal Department who are, of course, a Stonewall Diversity Champion.

Mumsnet have the background,

"This is the thin end of the wedge of a stealthy policy creep that seeks to erase the specific sex-based rights and the biological reality of women in an attempt to include those who identify as men who, as years of evolutionary biology research makes absolutely clear, remain biological women irrespective of their gender identity."

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4166393-House-of-Lords-reading-of-MOMA-Bill-22nd-February-2021

It passed in the Commons, but is now being debated in the House of Lords where a number of sane and reasonable speeches are being made, including this from Baroness Noakes

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/0ca59b7f-0018-470a-851a-ce1562544ec5?in=15:17:45&out=15:26:30

There is a maternity-related bill going through legislation in the UK. It was drafted in part by the Government Legal Department who are, of course, a Stonewall Diversity Champion. Mumsnet have the background, "This is the thin end of the wedge of a stealthy policy creep that seeks to erase the specific sex-based rights and the biological reality of women in an attempt to include those who identify as men who, as years of evolutionary biology research makes absolutely clear, remain biological women irrespective of their gender identity." https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4166393-House-of-Lords-reading-of-MOMA-Bill-22nd-February-2021 It passed in the Commons, but is now being debated in the House of Lords where a number of sane and reasonable speeches are being made, including this from Baroness Noakes https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/0ca59b7f-0018-470a-851a-ce1562544ec5?in=15:17:45&out=15:26:30

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[–] endthewoo [OP] 30 points (+30|-0) Edited

Also worth listening to Baroness Grey-Thompson (16.19) - she comments on the chilling effect, and fear of backlash for talking about the word "woman", and how people have told her to be "careful".

and Lord Hunt (16.09) - talks about the nonsense of "pregnant people", concern that the rights of women are being attacked, the misapplication of equality law under the influence of Trans Inc (*) and the cowardice of institutions when faced with accusations of 'transphobia"

((*) my paraphrase, obvs)

ETA twitter thread from Con Women with more highlights https://archive.is/wip/PRvHm

[–] Gini 13 points (+13|-0) Edited

I was actually listening to it and a bit before Lord Hunt spoke it started... one after the other... https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/0ca59b7f-0018-470a-851a-ce1562544ec5?in=17:38:19&out=21:04:57

"I am concerned that the word woman was not used. Women are being harrassed by toxic people for speaking about this. Women like JK Rowling and Cherry reveice so much vitriol. "

It's glorious and it cheered me up so much. There are 2-3 people inbetween going twaw but the rest. My god it was great.

I so loved Lord Hunt how he called out everyone going along with the nonsense.

[–] f_by_nature 18 points (+18|-0)

Lovely to hear very clear words spoken in the House of Lords. Good for Baroness Noakes. For democratic reasons I have thoughts about the Lords but there is something to be said for having people there who aren't worried about their whip keeping them in line; I think sometimes debates in the Lords have a slightly less "giving a ****" tone to them! And that honesty and firmness of debate can be very beneficial.

[–] endthewoo [OP] 13 points (+13|-0)

It really is upside-down world. Parties like the SNP, Greens especially (supposed grass roots, left-orientated, reality-based parties "for the people") are sunk deep in the cult and now working for an unhinged few and against women, while the "elite" in the Lords have an actual grasp of the situation - and how it is not a good thing for either women or policy to go down the twaw/nodebate/birthing persons mangling of language and laws route.

[–] f_by_nature 7 points (+7|-0) Edited

Exactly - I guess this is what a lot of reasonable, fairly centrist people felt 5 years ago when before they voted Conservative (everyone has a different take on that - I happen to know quite a few genuinely lovely people who I get on with and who generally agree with me on the important things, who used to vote Conservative but don't feel they can now)

great quote from Simon Evans from this ep of Triggernometry, c. 14mins in (paraphrased): "Nothing the right has said has pulled me more right, I've only been pushed that way by ridiculousness from the left"

I think about that a lot - it's the same for me. Considering I was quite the Jeremy Corbyn fan a few years ago, my opinion of "The Left" has changed a lot and that's only through actually ruminating on and reading feminist (read: also left-wing generally) critique.

[–] Sylvia_Bern 1 points (+1|-0)

Wow yes! Great quote.

"(paraphrased): "Nothing the right has said has pulled me more right, I've only been pushed that way by ridiculousness from the left"

[–] feathersofaduck 7 points (+7|-0)

It's lovely to hear these exceptional speeches from Baroness Noakes and Lord Hunt, it brings a lot of hope that we can take back control from the cult when people with such an important status within the UK legislature are hearing our objections loud and clear! Members of the House of Lords as life peers are by definition impossible to cancel so none of the trans-lobby tactics that revolve around pressuring employers to fire people or organisations to de-platform them work at all, thankfully. Many people unfortunately do not have such job security so they may be unable to speak out now, but I'm sure hearing this would make many be much reassured they are not alone or defeated.

[–] common_shrew 3 points (+3|-0)

They are impossible to cancel, it’s so true! They are our shining light 😂

[–] Hollyhock 3 points (+3|-0)

Love her speech! I want to send it to Nancy Pelosi (who I adore, but am gobsmacked allowed gender neutral language into use on the house floor).