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I don't know what most women here think about Laura Bates. Personally I think she's said some lib femmy stuff but overall she has the right idea. Her most recent book, "Men Who Hate Women", documents the misogyny of the manosphere, including the incel communities. It's a really good intro to that side of the internet if you're unfamiliar with it, and it's a book I'll be lending to my friends who keep claiming that "incels are just a tiny, harmless portion of the internet". Yeah, I wish.

Anyway, I checked out the Amazon reviews for the book. Lo and behold many triggered men claiming its contents are fake. I must say that Bates copied and pasted direct quotes from the incel forums. As someone who used to go on these forums to be horrified (don't do that - it's basically digital self harm) I can confirm that everything in this book is 100% genuine incel rhetoric. Anyone remember that incel post that said women's brains should be replaced with dog brains because dogs are obedient and therefore will give a man sex? No I didn't make that up.

Here's some gold from the reviews section:

"Avoid. You don't have to be factually correct to be morally right. A male-bashing grievance-fest based on data carefully selected to make you angry - don't feel angry, that's what the writer wants (it sells more books)"

This one's hilarious to me because I thought Bates wasn't man-bashing ENOUGH. Every 2 pages she had to remind us that "almost all men are lovely - it's just a tiny minority doing this!" and she was actually very empathetic in the incels section, reiterating how most of them are lonely and genuinely need help. Personally I think the world would be a better place without them but I guess Bates is a kinder person than I am.

"Just another framing of any and all men’s interest groups as anti-women. Just another angle at which this author clings to the oppressor/oppressed view to sell books. While the issue of violence against all people, not just women, is important, and the anger of incels needs to be addressed before they harm people she fails to explain that much of this is a reaction to the rise of anti-male sentiment in the media because that’s inconvenient to her narrative. The author conflates pretty much every online group of men (and women, which she ignores) with women hatred, she conflates those advocating against the sky-high male suicide and homelessness rate and those who seek for their to be more help for male domestic abuse victims with hatred of women (there are plenty of adult female men’s rights activists) because she wants feminism to maintain a monopoly on gender-related issues"

This is a blatant misrepresentation of Bates' work. Throughout her book Bates emphasised how diverse these communities are. For example she explained how some incels were very anti-rape and violence and called out the idolisation of Elliot Rodger. She also discussed how yes, some men's communities talked about being lonely and being unlucky with women, but she also explained how they were more geared toward self-help rather than misogyny. This review also seems to ignore the fact that many of these communities ARE misogynist and if you've spent more than 5 minutes on them (as I have) it becomes very evident. So many of these reviews seem to suggest that Bates is "making it all up". As a Reddit user who has gotten rape threats in her inbox from users active in manosphere forums, kindly fuck off with the claims that she's making it up.

Edit: I should also add that The International Centre for Counterterrorism at the Hague literally confirmed that the killings by Elliot Rodger were an act of male supremacist terrorism, so evidently this is not something that Bates just made up to "sell books".

One reviewer wrote an entire essay about how all feminists these days study "useless degrees like English Literature". I will not even bother giving him the time of day.

"This book is an absolute load of tosh, but hugely entertaining to anyone who is actually familiar with the men's movement. Fiction from start to finish, particularly her claim to have successfully infiltrated the movement. Her belief that men who confront and resist the hatred of feminist ideology are akin to terrorists is deranged, but may well persuade easily duped readers. So approach this book with a healthy degree of scepticism and seek your own evidence rather than rely on her fantasies."

Again just blatant lies. She did not claim to infiltrate the movement. She said she created an account and lurked on the forums. Hardly akin to infiltrating. The claim that she paints all of the manosphere as "terrorists" is factually incorrect as well. She never did this. Rather, she claimed that those men like Elliot Rodger who shoot people while motivated by misogyny and anti-feminism should be classified as terrorists because their attacks are politically motivated. Yet again I must say that all of the quotes in her book are 100% accurate and she did not exaggerate any of the violent claims made by incels in that book. Honestly, I have seen worse written on Reddit than she included in the book.

"Very poor - full of factual errors. Just an anti men, hate filled rant - particularly hateful towards white working class men, who the biased author clearly despises. Woke literature at its worst."

Why are men so bad at reading? She states in the book that despite popular beliefs that incels are mostly working class men, she said she believed it was not about class at all.

Anyway I thought you guys might enjoy reading some of these reviews. Love her or hate her, I feel like you have to appreciate Laura Bates for the countless scrotes she has enraged throughout the years. And these reviews should serve as a reminder to all handmaidens that no matter how much you suck up to men, they'll still accuse you of "man bashing". For this I hope we'll see more books akin to Pauline Harmange's "I Hate Men" which I unfortunately haven't purchased yet. What's the point of treading around egg-shells and repeating constantly "not all men" when every man's going to give you a bad review without reading the book in the first place? Might as well just embrace it like Pauline did.

I don't know what most women here think about Laura Bates. Personally I think she's said some lib femmy stuff but overall she has the right idea. Her most recent book, "Men Who Hate Women", documents the misogyny of the manosphere, including the incel communities. It's a really good intro to that side of the internet if you're unfamiliar with it, and it's a book I'll be lending to my friends who keep claiming that "incels are just a tiny, harmless portion of the internet". Yeah, I wish. Anyway, I checked out the Amazon reviews for the book. Lo and behold many triggered men claiming its contents are fake. I must say that Bates copied and pasted direct quotes from the incel forums. As someone who used to go on these forums to be horrified (don't do that - it's basically digital self harm) I can confirm that everything in this book is 100% genuine incel rhetoric. Anyone remember that incel post that said women's brains should be replaced with dog brains because dogs are obedient and therefore will give a man sex? No I didn't make that up. Here's some gold from the reviews section: **"Avoid. You don't have to be factually correct to be morally right. A male-bashing grievance-fest based on data carefully selected to make you angry - don't feel angry, that's what the writer wants (it sells more books)"** This one's hilarious to me because I thought Bates wasn't man-bashing ENOUGH. Every 2 pages she had to remind us that "almost all men are lovely - it's just a tiny minority doing this!" and she was actually very empathetic in the incels section, reiterating how most of them are lonely and genuinely need help. Personally I think the world would be a better place without them but I guess Bates is a kinder person than I am. **"Just another framing of any and all men’s interest groups as anti-women. Just another angle at which this author clings to the oppressor/oppressed view to sell books. While the issue of violence against all people, not just women, is important, and the anger of incels needs to be addressed before they harm people she fails to explain that much of this is a reaction to the rise of anti-male sentiment in the media because that’s inconvenient to her narrative. The author conflates pretty much every online group of men (and women, which she ignores) with women hatred, she conflates those advocating against the sky-high male suicide and homelessness rate and those who seek for their to be more help for male domestic abuse victims with hatred of women (there are plenty of adult female men’s rights activists) because she wants feminism to maintain a monopoly on gender-related issues"** This is a blatant misrepresentation of Bates' work. Throughout her book Bates emphasised how diverse these communities are. For example she explained how some incels were very anti-rape and violence and called out the idolisation of Elliot Rodger. She also discussed how yes, some men's communities talked about being lonely and being unlucky with women, but she also explained how they were more geared toward self-help rather than misogyny. This review also seems to ignore the fact that many of these communities ARE misogynist and if you've spent more than 5 minutes on them (as I have) it becomes very evident. So many of these reviews seem to suggest that Bates is "making it all up". As a Reddit user who has gotten rape threats in her inbox from users active in manosphere forums, kindly fuck off with the claims that she's making it up. Edit: I should also add that The International Centre for Counterterrorism at the Hague literally confirmed that the killings by Elliot Rodger were an act of male supremacist terrorism, so evidently this is not something that Bates just made up to "sell books". One reviewer wrote an entire essay about how all feminists these days study "useless degrees like English Literature". I will not even bother giving him the time of day. **"This book is an absolute load of tosh, but hugely entertaining to anyone who is actually familiar with the men's movement. Fiction from start to finish, particularly her claim to have successfully infiltrated the movement. Her belief that men who confront and resist the hatred of feminist ideology are akin to terrorists is deranged, but may well persuade easily duped readers. So approach this book with a healthy degree of scepticism and seek your own evidence rather than rely on her fantasies."** Again just blatant lies. She did not claim to infiltrate the movement. She said she created an account and lurked on the forums. Hardly akin to infiltrating. The claim that she paints all of the manosphere as "terrorists" is factually incorrect as well. She never did this. Rather, she claimed that those men like Elliot Rodger who shoot people while motivated by misogyny and anti-feminism should be classified as terrorists because their attacks are politically motivated. Yet again I must say that all of the quotes in her book are 100% accurate and she did not exaggerate any of the violent claims made by incels in that book. Honestly, I have seen worse written on Reddit than she included in the book. **"Very poor - full of factual errors. Just an anti men, hate filled rant - particularly hateful towards white working class men, who the biased author clearly despises. Woke literature at its worst."** Why are men so bad at reading? She states in the book that despite popular beliefs that incels are mostly working class men, she said she believed it was not about class at all. Anyway I thought you guys might enjoy reading some of these reviews. Love her or hate her, I feel like you have to appreciate Laura Bates for the countless scrotes she has enraged throughout the years. And these reviews should serve as a reminder to all handmaidens that no matter how much you suck up to men, they'll still accuse you of "man bashing". For this I hope we'll see more books akin to Pauline Harmange's "I Hate Men" which I unfortunately haven't purchased yet. What's the point of treading around egg-shells and repeating constantly "not all men" when every man's going to give you a bad review without reading the book in the first place? Might as well just embrace it like Pauline did.

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This is barely related, but I just have to share: the original Swedish title of 'The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo" was "Män Som Hattar Kvinnor" which directly means "Men Who Hate Women".

Ballsy title, Steig.

[–] [Deleted] 22 points Edited

That’s funny, because all of the shit MRAs complain about is either completely fictional, grossly exaggerated, or their own damn fault. Also LOL at the dumb scrote whining that incels are a response to “anti-male sentiment.” So it’s understandable when males respond to “anti-male sentiment” with threats, contempt, and straight up murder, but women responding to millennia of anti-woman sentiment (funny how we don’t go on mass murder sprees about it like these fragile ass males) by calling out disgusting male behavior is “male bashing,” “all lies,” and oh so mean :’(

Men are truly so fucking fragile that it’s unbelievable. The real lie is the notion that men are stronger, more stoic, and thicker skinned than women. Nope. They demonstrate over and over how wrong this myth is.

Very true. The entire reaction to Laura Bates' Everyday Sexism project demonstrates the fragility of males.

[–] jassrichards 1 points Edited

Yup.

How to make men totally lose their shit:

Challenge them.

Correct them.

Say no.

Knock over their pile of rocks. (Yeah, did that, literally, and the guy just completely lost it.)

(additions welcome)

I think the saddest part is how you can literally go on all these websites and see all the stuff incels, PUAs, MGTOW etc have to say about women with your own eyes, yet half the reviewers are going on about how Bates made it up and she's lying to demonise men. It just goes to show that even when women have evidence, men will call us liars. Every time.

Absolutely right. Mgtow is a cesspit as are the incel forums.

I’m sure none of them read the book. Men love to talk about what women think and do and say without listening to any of it. 🚮

She's pretty fair about her treatment of individual men, she doesn't demonize or moralize and does paint a picture that the whole community is made up of people who have different perspectives, the book is more about key figures, organizations, and the viral rhetoric that has the potential to radicalize.

That was my reaction to the book although I'm yet to finish the second half. So far it has been very reasonable and not demonizing at all. It just goes to show how you can't win with the male anti-feminists.

"This book is an absolute load of tosh, but hugely entertaining to anyone who is actually familiar with the men's movement. Fiction from start to finish, particularly her claim to have successfully infiltrated the movement. Her belief that men who confront and resist the hatred of feminist ideology are akin to terrorists is deranged, but may well persuade easily duped readers. So approach this book with a healthy degree of scepticism and seek your own evidence rather than rely on her fantasies."

Sooooo, they admit in their critique that there actually IS a men's movement, but also think Laura Bates is making it all up.

Well you see the men's movement is real but it's justified because women are evil oppressors and men are literally 3rd class citizens in our society!!! They have no power. FREE THEM /s

"While the issue of violence against all people, not just women, is important..."

Do these stupid scrotes not realize what a slap in the face shit like this is? Why don't YOU stop minimizing and even erasing the pandemic of female suffering at the hands of you dumbass scrotes. Piss off.

Did anyone else think that a chapter on TRAs would have fitted perfectly? So clear that they use many of same ideas and attitudes but I guess she didn't want to go there

TRAs aren't part of the manosphere

But they are men that hate women. Think they fit right into the manospher

Nope. The manosphere is a specific subset of misogynists which promote masculinity and "alpha" behaviour over all else. TIMs don't fit there. We don't need to drag TIMs into everything. Sometimes I just want to fight against good old classic misogyny by normal men.