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Always good to hear from Exulansic but the Rhetoric dude didn't really offer any useful ways forward for the debate. Perhaps he just represented the "don't know, don't care, it's only women affected" demographic

Yup it's extremely ironic because he's presenting himself as an expert on "making people care/listen when you speak" but the way he's interrupting Rose repeatedly makes me not give a shit about a word he has to say.

Dave Chapelle may not have direct experience with transitioning, or having a loved one transition, but he does have direct experience with being cancelled for minor comments about the trans community, which is his whole point. He, as a black man, has been accused of "bigotry" by a bunch of whiny, entitled, straight white people. He's actually beseeching them to "stay in their lane." But we can't have nuance anymore, perish the thought 🙄

I'm only a quarter through and I came back here to check the comments to see if it's worth watching. The host is a complete asshole.

If he doesn't understand why Dave Chapelle's comments were relevant or why he has standing to make those comments, then he completely missed the point that Chapelle was making. Chapelle was speaking as someone who has personally experienced oppression about how obvious it is that TRAs are the oppressors.

And the way that he's treating that other woman is so patronizing.

And the way that he's treating that other woman is so patronizing.

Yeah, and the way he was treating the other dude was also extremely patronizing. For being a supposed 'rhetorician' he comes off as an unlikeable bully.

[–] real_feminist 2 points Edited

the way he was treating the other dude was also extremely patronizing

Yea, I posted that comment before finishing it. It was like he kept trying to derail that guy when he was making great points. And the bit with exulansic was awful too. He was trying so hard to minimize it. He clearly has no empathy for women.

He kept emphasizing that he's a rhetoric person but it wasn't like he was actually even adding insight on that front. This debate is so full of rhetoric and dissecting it would be a great topic.

Agree he is being a smug asshole. I persevered because I get he is trying to introduce the concept of "argument structure for persuasion' but bloody hell physician heal thyself