One of these women, who said she was often harassed as a man, absolutely refused to believe that TRAs could be at the root of why this was happening. Nope, angry and scared women vulnerable to harassment or assault who’ve finally had enough are the villains here.

I do not understand this. I don’t get why she isn’t angry at trans activists who caused men to be allowed in women’s spaces in the first place.

true. I have a enby friend. I saw that she complained about being asked to leave from the women's room and took it as a sign that transpeople need more rights. But the more males we see in our single-sex the more we are going to question everyone.

Please define "masculine-looking women".

Please define it in a way that doesn't mean Lesbian.

Here ya go! https://medium.com/@littleoceandrop/the-unsatisfied-masculine-woman-dd5b70a14ead

Also, the last thing we need is to be filmed and put on YouTube where these creeps can see and dox us. Or to help TIMs garner sympathy via crying about their "abuse" on Twitter.

With respect, I’m not going to stand outside a bathroom meant for my gender, waiting for the man violating my privacy to finish before I can use it.

I also want to add that we are not escalating the situation by demanding our men-free spaces. That’s what TRAs want you to think. They are the only ones causing problems, by demanding the right to violate our privacy and endanger our safety.

Ok I change my answer, unlike this approach way better.

If I were to run into this situation (and if it were a mall or smthng) I would likely try to not engage them myself and instead try and find security personnel or any staff and ask them to do something about the leery man in the womens bathroom.

Good advice.

I imagine it will be difficult not to get emotional and yell. This is very scary.

What about men on hormones or who have trained their voices to sound feminine? You could tell they’re male from their height and bone structure, but be fooled by their voices.

I understand what you’re saying, and I’m sorry trans activists have forced it to come to this. I hope if I misjudge a woman’s gender, she’ll say she’s on my side about single-sex spaces but she really is a woman.

Also, he could be gone by then, and knowing the fear of “transphobia” as well as general refusal to see a problem, not much would be done anyway.

I would like to make sure it is emphasized to the TIM in question what he already knows—that he is not entitled to women’s spaces. I want other women to see someone taking the initiative to publicly demand our rights.

Edit: @wack

The danger is here regardless. It’s a matter of whether we choose to confront TIMs, or continue to accept them in our private spaces where we are most vulnerable.

No, I’m 5’2 3/4. Oh well.

Yes. Exactly.

Hubs sounds great!

awesome hubs!! Who knows maybe he can be your token transwoman lol. "of course i’m not being transphobic, look at my beautiful trans wife!" cut to perfectly normal looking dude

That’s horrifying. Thank you for the warning. I’ll be sure to confront them only in well-lit buildings where an assault would be noticed.

I should also get an alarm, and a taser if it’s legal where I live.

Right?? Imagine our actually having to wait for a man to finish relieving himself, in spaces that should be only for us.

Well said, and I agree.

I feel like if anyone were to do this it would need to be in a well lit generally safe area where there are plenty of other women around, I likely wouldn't attempt it as I'm certainly not the strongest or biggest woman around but if I did it would feel somewhat validating for everyone around me to see a TIM get angry at me (5'3" 110lbs~) for asking them to leave the women's bathroom.

then again I would only ever attempt it if the country/city I'm in doesn't have "Gender Affirming" laws pertaining to TIMs being allowed in sex-segregated bathrooms.

I tagged you in an earlier comment to answer. Also I have been told here by one of these women that being mistaken for a man is a minor inconvenience. She explains she really is female and they all go on with their day.

I’ve said before: don’t let TRAs shift the blame. Any bothering of women believed to be men is fully thanks to them. They want you to believe that claiming our spaces leads to harassment and violence against women, that we need to accept men in our spaces because those men might really be female. Don’t fall for it.

Thanks for this.

And thank you also for being decisive. Without attacking members who disagree, the time for “nice” tactics is over (also, they’re effective really only if a lot of women use them at the same time, and most are not actively fighting back). No one else will stand up for us. We have to rely on ourselves and each other.