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I'm honestly curious about this sudden surge in drag events for children, whether it's story time in libraries or dress-up events.

Are drag queens the new clowns? Is it a quick and easy way for institutions like libraries to appear diverse and woke in a very visible way? Why drag queens specifically?

Is it an attempt at an intentionally challenging image, to present the most visible and garish image of "queerness" alongside children?

I'm not a fan of drag. I think it's misogynistic but I also don't really care what gay men do in their own spaces.

What are your thoughts?

I'm honestly curious about this sudden surge in drag events for children, whether it's story time in libraries or dress-up events. Are drag queens the new clowns? Is it a quick and easy way for institutions like libraries to appear diverse and woke in a very visible way? Why drag queens specifically? Is it an attempt at an intentionally challenging image, to present the most visible and garish image of "queerness" alongside children? I'm not a fan of drag. I think it's misogynistic but I also don't really care what gay men do in their own spaces. What are your thoughts?

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It's offensive and misogynistic but it's also entertaining.

I find offensive humor humorous. I find it useful for blowing off steam about problems, tragedies, etc.

Not really appropriate for kids, though.

My personal thoughts are that not everyone who brings their kids there or allows in their community is intentionally trying to groom kids. I think a lot of people are just really stupid. They see bright colours and they go “oh it’s for kids!” Like how some people thought family guy was for kids because it was a cartoon. If they realize the sexual nature of it, by then it’s too late to say something without looking like a “Karen” (I believe this is a bad word to use but for the sake of making it clear how they weaponize it I’ve included it). Most people don’t want to destroy their social life, standing in the community, etc to stand up against something that they can’t make the connection to immediate harm.

I don't see how this helps dispell homophobia. If anything, those hideous costumes and those creepy men are going to plant the idea in these kids that "gay man = freak".

A generation of kids became terrified of clowns because of the movie "It" in the 80s. I wonder if this Drag Time For Kids bullshit will do the same for TIMs. 🤣

I think its a way for pedophiles to groom children, in a way that appeals to woke parents because its considered a gay hobby. The problem here is that its a sexualized gay hobby, and also that child safeguarding seems to go out the window when woke parents are presented with LGBT events. It's a similar situation as with all the fetishes and the almost-naked gyrating at pride parades. Part of it is also the fault of sex positivity. Sex positivity is designed to lower our defenses against sexual predators, to make us more open to things and not critically think about what is happening. "Your child is learning about different sexualities, that's a good thing. Don't be a prude." Gavin de Becker talks about the gift of fear. We have a protective instinct that helps us thwart these predators and they are undermining that instinct on purpose. If we aren't careful, pedophilia will become socially acceptable and socially protected as an institution.

You don't have to take my word for it, that this is about pedophilia. There have been some incidents with the men responsible for Drag Queen Story Time. There have been arrests. And you can see in pictures how these men behave in front of children, and how they behave when children participate in drag. If you have the stomach for it.

Agree. Drag Queen Story Hour always reminds me of that tweet I once saw: "They literally just want to diddle kids. It's not complicated." This is it. Normal gay men are out living their lives, going to work and having families and friends and hobbies and shit. They're not clamoring for the opportunity to read to children dressed as a hideous misogynistic caricature.

Predatory grooming of children, being retconned as "inclusivity" and a "civil rights movement." Same with all this intentional pushing of TRA/NB/Tumblr nonsense on the younger set. I used to try to be "tolerant" but it's so in-your-face and deliberate now that I really can't see it as anything else.

Are drag queens the new clowns?

Yes. So was John Wayne Gacy. I'll just leave that there.

[–] RawSienna 13 points Edited

My guess is because it’s a way to get a foothold to indoctrinate kids from an extremely young age by passing it off as a type of dress-up/clown/make-believe entertainment. It gets them used to the lingo and sexual suggestiveness from an early age. In other words, it’s a woke veneer for a type of grooming, being passed off as harmless. Has Jimmy Savile vibes.

Edit: who benefits by exposing (sorry, not intentional) children to an adult male, gay, subculture? Why is this deemed necessary to shove at kids, who if they grow up to be gay men, will learn about it anyway? Why can’t the library hire actors to be in character for the stories they read? This is an adult-driven agenda and is not benign. There have already been cases of pedos doing this and cases of indecent exposure.

I think for most people it's just a trendy thing everyone is doing and kids like bright colors and singing/dancing/dressing up. Also, if you refuse it it's "bigoted", so they just go with the flow without thinking about the sexual part at all and of course groomers are happy to exploit it.

I have been to this event before in my city. The idea was to share a part of gay culture in an age appropriate way. The books were just regular books and it happened in a gay neighbourhood with families of all types. These same families would typically attend the pride parade, so seeing drag queens would not be new to them. Many drag queens have personas (and stage names) that are inappropriate for this type of event, but in this case the kids just saw it as someone in a costume reading a story.

I assume they used appropriate names and weren’t behaving in an overly sexual manner

Yes. No part of the event was age inappropriate in my opinion. Organizers of these events are responsible for safeguarding. It is right to call them out for exposing kids to adult material. I just don’t happen to believe that a story time is harmful on its face.

I think it became a thing because a few libraries did it, there was a huge conservative backlash, and then librarians jumped at the chance to own the cons.

There's definitely a thing where one side does something dumb, the other side overreacts and makes it a thing, and then the original side doubles down and starts doing it even MORE because they can. It happens on both sides. It's basically trolling. And then the other side starts saying "see? we had to make a huge deal about this because it really DID spread like wildfire" without acknowledging that their dumb overreaction is part of what made it spread like wildfire in the first place.

I know this take won't be super popular here. I don't like drag at all, let alone DQSH. And I think bringing your kid to it is more likely to wind up being confusing for them than a "learning experience" for tolerance and inclusion. But also, I don't think it's on the same level as socially or medically transitioning your kid. And as long as it's not in schools, I don't mind it being an opt-in program at the library, honestly. I'd love it if the library would host more events that I don't want to go to by people I disagree with. As we move into a more digital era, I think public libraries could really become a space for free exchange of ideas, if they wanted to. Unfortunately, I think they probably won't.

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