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There is no family friendly drag. And violent men threatening drag performers don't help highlight this fact.

[–] notapatsy 35 points Edited

A drag show by definition is not "a simple dress up show." It's a particular kind of dress-up show, one defined by sexual innuendo and outright sexual action, and thus by definition not family friendly.

Not to mention giving children the notion that women are so silly, stupid and shallow that they deserve to be mocked.

Yes, that is one sticking point of drag to me. But in our culture that kind of attitude about women is "family friendly," alas, as it's the cultural norm.

[–] WhatTheBlazes 30 points Edited

HOLD YOUR HORSES. Until arrests are made don't assume who the culprits are. Just yesterday I read that a bill has passed First Reading in the Canadian parliament, a bill that will outlaw GC by tagging it as hate speech. Awfully convenient that these threats follow on its footsteps. Oh look Queer/TIP are being threatened. Gee what can be done? Look like we need to toughen hate speech.

This. The west coast isn't exactly rife with right wing extremists and the rural hyper-conservative gun nuts aren't keeping eyes on Victoria waiting for drag shows to threaten. This reads as pure bullshit.

Arrests or it's a false flag troll.

I have to say I had some skepticism when I first heard the story. They’re really in a hurry to destroy child safeguarding and muzzle the outspoken dissenters, aren’t they.

[–] bellatrixbells BoobatrixRex 2 points

Wait, what bill?

Its Bill C-261 sponsored by Independent MP Kevin Vuong who represents Spadina-Fort-York, Toronto. Here are some snippets but you'll want to read the whole article.Link below

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... Buried deep within the text of the bill are “gender identity and expression”, which would be added to the list of characteristics protected from hate propaganda, hate crimes, and hate speech under the Criminal Code of Canada and the Human Rights Act. To do so could have severe consequences on the lives of Canadian women and our Freedom of Expression....

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What Canadians will find most disturbing about this bill is that it would enable complaints to be made to the Human Rights Tribunal based on “Fear of hate propaganda offence or hate crime”[ix].

This is understandable in the context of fear that someone might commit an act of terrorism, but to treat feminism critical of gender ideology on par with terrorism is absolutely reprehensible. Females, comparatively to males, are the non-violent sex; we write, we speak, we create, we do not commit mass murders. But the Canadian government apparently wishes to impair our ability to express ourselves peacefully.

This persecution is unjust and it has no place in a civilized democracy. By adding “gender identity and expression” to the Canada Human Rights Act without thorough due diligence, informed by those whom it effects most – women – is like not inviting BIPOC people to a conference about racism. We must be heard. Women must have the Freedom of Expression guaranteed to us in the Charter of Rights necessary to express our opinions and share our experiences and knowledge about an ideology that has posed an existential threat to feminism. Feminism is, simply put, advocacy of the best interests of women and children. Imagine being a person of colour trying to combat racism while living in fear that anything they say against racists or racism could be turned against them. This is precisely the position that women are in. This persecution is unjust and it has no place in a civilized democracy.

Continue reading “Gender Identity and Expression” Stow Away on Resurfacing Anti-Racism Bill | Women Are Human.

Read more at: https://www.womenarehuman.com/gender-identity-and-expression-stow-away-on-resurfacing-anti-racism-bill/

"Our team was doing its best to try and sort of counter that ignorance and explain that this is a simple dress-up show," said Taylor. "It's not by any means lewd or anything but positive."

Why are there so many events recently with drag performers performing for children? I get that clowns are scary but many drag performances portray women in a sexual way. Maybe I just haven't seen many performances, but I've always viewed drag as offensive to women.

[–] RawSienna 28 points Edited

If it’s a “dress-up show”, why not do away with the drag guy and have a costume party that the kids can actually participate in?

Oh, because it’s not a neutral “dress-up show” at all, it’s equal parts grooming and indoctrination. There is utterly no reason to shove adult male sexuality at young kids. If some of the kids grow up to be gay men, they can enjoy/participate in drag shows then.

Edit: I should note that I personally hate drag and find it misogynistic, but it’s really none of my business what gay men do in their own spaces. This is not that. At all.

Edit2: I think we need to coin a new term for this attempted normalization of inappropriate adult crap being passed off as harmless kiddie fun. How about ‘dragwashing’ or ‘groomerwashing’

I think it’s very offensive to women, it’s just men laughing at us and playing up harmful and uninventive stereotypes. It’s horribly misogynistic.

Maybe controversial but I have yet to hear of an adequate argument for how it is different to minstrel shows (since both are horrible examples of those in power parodying those who are marginalised)

Idk why anyone would want to expose their kids to it.

[–] bellatrixbells BoobatrixRex 0 points

It's technically different from minstrel shows in the initial purpose. IIRC, the entire purpose of the minstrel shows was to build a perception of black people by white people who were much better as slaves because they were helpless idiots (obvious not my POV, but the depiction) and remind black people their place/keeping their self esteem low and maintaining intra racial racism.

Drag originates from a different place where women are actually not even considered. It's basically men sticking it to other men by appropriating the character they invented for women and denied themselves the right to use.

The effect is somewhat similar though. And obviously the basic principle is the same, as you already pointed out.

I agree that the whole concept of drag is offensive to women, BUT, I have definitely seen cleaned up performances i.e. non-sexual. For example, I saw one that was just a guy dressed up as a woman doing his crappy standup act. I still think him being dressed as a woman and doing a ''woman's voice' was offensive on its own but at least he was acknowledging that he was a dude and his standup sucked but it wasn't ALL teehee I'm a bimbo and zero overt sex jokes since this was a fairly public place. Also acts where they just dress up as famous women can go either way. Like I've seen them dress up as whoever they're lip synching to. And they do the famous person's mannerisms and not general 'this is what women do' mannerisms so that seems less directed at ALL women to me.

I agree, I used to see shows back in the day, where it was just like imitating Barbra Streisand. It really seemed more like tribute back then.

But now it seem like just a gross mockery of female stereotypes: catty, "bitchy," etc. and looks. Also it virtually excludes all female participation, so having it go into schools, etc. is really sexist in the "we only hire men" way.

I dunno if this counts as "drag". But Louie Anderson played a female character on the show "Baskets" and it worked surprisingly well. I think it was because he based the character on his own mother (whom he adored) and not some misogynistic stereotype

It's the cool, show your pride thing to do. These insatiable monsters won't stop until they swallow up everything in their wake.

Family friendly drag show is a massive contradiction lmfao

“ family-friendly drag show”

No such thing. Drag is sexual by nature and deeply derogatory towards women. It is never appropriate for children.

[–] bellatrixbells BoobatrixRex 5 points

"Our team was doing its best to try and sort of counter that ignorance and explain that this is a simple dress-up show," said Taylor. "It's not by any means lewd or anything but positive."

LOL Ok so this drag show is not by any means lewd or anything? Google tells me "lewd" means crude and offensive in a sexual way. If drag was ever anything but crude and offensive in a sexual way (not to mention the misogyny it's rooted in) I'm Mohammed Ali, man.

And a simple dress up show? Lol fuck off. Men dressing as insulting caricatures of women and play acting as women being sexualized and objectified for profits is "a simple dress up show"?

Then again, by that logic it's entirely fair for me, a white as snow pure laine, to go ahead and organize a show with my friends. We'll paint our faces red, stick feathers in our hair and go around hululating while play acting as pissed drunk Inuits downtown. I mean, that would just be us "expressing ourselves", right? It's all in good fun, isn't it? It's art!!

Cause I'm a woman, you see, I'm oppressed. That means I have all the rights to reduce another group to a bunch of stereotypes and playact as their suffering. Har dee har har.

Really takes a fucking man to not see the problem with this. Self awareness, anyone?? 😠

Why aren't normies asking long, loud, and clear why the hell drag is considered children's entertainment?!?

Even putting aside the sexual nature of so many of these performances, it makes no sense. It's like all of a sudden everywhere you look public and private institutions are hosting philosophy lectures, senior golf tips, and financial planning seminars for kids. WHY?!

I don't like drag, but I find it kinda nostalgic that some of the callers think it will "turn their kids gay".

https://archive.ph/BzOoR

Right? I had to double-check the date on the article because it was so retro.