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the article was literally posted today and it's already had two post-publication edits, admitting that they not only gave out blatantly false information but also misrepresented MK's views and stances (probably intentionally). whats even more telling, though, is that they were asked to change the sentence "she became convinced gender is fixed" to "she became convinced sex is fixed". instead of correcting it they simply took out the sentence altogether. why? because they know damn well that it's ridiculous to frame "sex is fixed" as a hateful conservative view that one only reaches after exposure to online hate groups. they could hide behind the word 'gender', which is ill defined and changes meaning depending on how transactivists want to use it, but they know they can't claim that sex isn't fixed. not if they want to chance in hell of anyone agreeing with this mess.

it's just cowardice and hypocrisy at its very finest. they cherry pick parts of their interview to write an entirely slanderous and defamatory article filled with straight up lies, and instead of acknowledging or responding to the immense amount of backlash against them, the only thing they can do is backtrack, change what they said, and try their absolute best to keep painting us as a ridiculous hate group instead of people who believe in biology. The surprisingly large amount of backlash and people pointing out the terrible journalism is really refreshing and really makes me believe that something is shifting. I would've expected the comments to be full of gender fans bashing radfems, but it's full of sane people pointing out that this article is nowhere near fact based journalism & noticing all the shady ways in which they try to misconstrue radfem beliefs while pushing their own cult ideology. the people are waking up and transactivists are only digging themselves into a deeper pit trying to prove that radfems are anything but correct.

EDIT: i noticed that they also changed the title, now scrubbing all mentions of them referring to us as a hate group. gotta love the classic transactivist method of "sweeping shit under the rug and then pretending like you never said it". just like mermaids suddenly claiming that no, they've never said that children are born in the wrong body! 🙄 they are so openly dishonest it's mind boggling

the article was literally posted today and it's already had two post-publication edits, admitting that they not only gave out blatantly false information but also misrepresented MK's views and stances (probably intentionally). whats even more telling, though, is that they were asked to change the sentence "she became convinced gender is fixed" to "she became convinced sex is fixed". instead of correcting it they simply took out the sentence altogether. why? because they know damn well that it's ridiculous to frame "sex is fixed" as a hateful conservative view that one only reaches after exposure to online hate groups. they could hide behind the word 'gender', which is ill defined and changes meaning depending on how transactivists want to use it, but they know they can't claim that sex isn't fixed. not if they want to chance in hell of anyone agreeing with this mess. it's just cowardice and hypocrisy at its very finest. they cherry pick parts of their interview to write an entirely slanderous and defamatory article filled with straight up lies, and instead of acknowledging or responding to the immense amount of backlash against them, the only thing they can do is backtrack, change what they said, and try their absolute best to keep painting us as a ridiculous hate group instead of people who believe in biology. The surprisingly large amount of backlash and people pointing out the terrible journalism is really refreshing and really makes me believe that something is shifting. I would've expected the comments to be full of gender fans bashing radfems, but it's full of sane people pointing out that this article is nowhere near fact based journalism & noticing all the shady ways in which they try to misconstrue radfem beliefs while pushing their own cult ideology. the people are waking up and transactivists are only digging themselves into a deeper pit trying to prove that radfems are anything but correct. EDIT: i noticed that they also changed the title, now scrubbing all mentions of them referring to us as a hate group. gotta love the classic transactivist method of "sweeping shit under the rug and then pretending like you never said it". just like mermaids suddenly claiming that no, they've *never* said that children are born in the wrong body! 🙄 they are so openly dishonest it's mind boggling

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[–] BlackCirce 129 points (+129|-0)

I’ll say it again the editor at The Atlantic made a mistake letting that one through. It’s not Vox or Vice.

So off-brand for the atlantic. I hope they see that.

[–] hellamomzilla 59 points (+59|-0)

It's not off-brand at all, though. They've been doing this for at least a year. It's a shit magazine, now. It started when Singal wrote the piece on transing children/teens and when criticized, instead of standing by the reporter, they published several contradictory pieces by trans authors.

They've done similar nonsense in the past year where they didn't fact check and they've had to walk back articles and even pull entire pieces and apologize.

[–] OrneryStruggle 3 points (+3|-0)

They literally have an article from this year about how CCP-style censorship is preferable over free speech, this is very on-brand.

[–] Rodham 44 points (+44|-0)

There is a huge opportunity for some mainstream outlet to get a great story out of this. Not a GC piece, mind you, just a fair representation of what went on here and the sloppy reporting involved. WaPo, NYT, the Economist, any of these three have a golden opportunity here to get some great press.

[–] lucrecia 39 points (+39|-0)

Yes, I was thinking that. Any publication that sees The Atlantic as a rival can just click through to https://4w.pub/my-whole-conversation-with-kaitlyn-tiffany-for-the-atlantic/ and see the truth of what went down, and get a story out of it without a lot of work.

[–] [Deleted] 34 points (+34|-0)

i really hope that this happens cause like you said, even if you take all the gender shit out of the equation, it's astounding that such a large publication posted such a shoddy piece filled with lies and shitty reporting/writing. combine that with the response article from MK, the many edits they were forced to make to the article due to people pointing out the truth, & the surprising amount of backlash, this is literally a golden egg for any rival news outlets - they get to expose their rivals as unreliable while also getting a great investigative piece for their own publication

[–] RawSienna 15 points (+15|-0)

People are fucking STARVED for honesty. We are fucking sick of being lied to, condescended to, and having our intelligence insulted.

[–] OrneryStruggle 1 points (+1|-0)

As if the NYT or WaPo would ever write a balanced piece about gender.

[–] bluestocking 24 points (+24|-0)

They should have had Helen Lewis write it ... Oh wait, she's been labeled a TERF too, maybe she would have been biased in our favor!

[–] Verdandi 22 points (+22|-0)

We need to go over their head because I don't think this editor has the integrity to admit they were wrong.

[–] [Deleted] 21 points (+21|-0) Edited

absolutely - I really don't think the people in charge understand that running stories like this causes immeasurable damage to your publication. even people who are not gender critical in the slightest now know that they can't trust this publication because it publishes lies, falsehoods, and content that has clearly not been vetted or read through by anyone but the biased author

[–] NewMa 120 points (+120|-0)

They deleted the whole line about "believing gender is fixed" rather than editing it to correctly say "sex is fixed." HEY AUTHOR, I KNOW YOU ARE READING THIS AND YOU AND YOUR EDITORS ARE COWARDS.

Because you deleted the one line you should have edited which would have exposed the entire house of cards your argument is built on. Rather than just reflecting our actual views: sex is fixed. Literally everyone who is not a transgender person thinks so. Literally everyone.

(Also, Hey Grace, how's it hangin?)

[–] MelMarieCurebee 2 points (+2|-0)

My immediate thought when I saw this comment?

"I love you".

LOL. I don't even know you but this comment is perfection.

[–] NewMa 2 points (+2|-0)

Thanks so much. It's so nice to be around my people.

[–] Les 76 points (+76|-0)

I love how the author actively conflates us with alt-right types and anti-feminists who actively hate us. "TERF" really is the new equivalent of "feminazi" 2.0.

[–] [Deleted] 50 points (+50|-0)

it really is tbh. at least MRA men who used the word "feminazi" used it because They knew almost all feminists were liberal and would take offence of being called Nazis because they obviously aren't. meanwhile TRAs Actually want people to believe that believing biology is real is equivalent to being an actual alt right real-life Nazi. it's not just an insult anymore, it's a dangerous, intentionally dishonest lie. even more so because the majority of radical feminists are WOC, come from outside the west, are jewish, etc etc.

[–] Les 58 points (+58|-0)

That's another thing they like to ignore. Radical feminism may be a small subcategory of feminists in western Anglo countries, but in the rest of the world feminism is radical feminism. Women worldwide fighting against rape, prostitution, child marriage, female infanticide, protesting for abortion rights, African women trying to end widespread FGM (especially in West Africa), South Korean women fighting against the makeup industry and rampant sexual harrassment, Japanese women defying strict sexist workplace uniforms that constrict movement. All of those women know the difference between the sexes. How can they not when their oppression is so blatantly sex-based?

But no. It's easier to pretend that radical feminists are all white women pretending to be women of color. I almost never see liberal and "intersectional" feminists campaigning against any of that. And if someone does, you can bet a TRA will soon come around saying "actually this is transphobic" until they drop it. I've even seen them firsthand mock WOC who care about or have suffered through those issues. What kind of feminism is that?

[–] [Deleted] 41 points (+41|-0)

yup, far easier for them to just label it 'white feminism' and toss it aside. it would be much harder to acknowledge that the overwhelming majority of TRAs are white and/or western, and that literally nowhere else in the world do feminists believe that males can be female. it would be much harder to acknowledge that radical feminism is actually the best option for WOC because unlike liberal feminism, it doesnt compare us to men and tell us that we're racist for wanting single-sex spaces. let's just be honest here: transactivism is 100% a white western invention, and given that white westerners dont like us coloreds very much, it makes sense that they try so hard to actively suppress, misconstrue, lie about, and demonize a feminist movement that is very much mostly made up of WOC.

[–] hermiona52 14 points (+14|-0) Edited

Yes, it's so absurd. I live in Poland. I went to the first two Pride marches in my conservative city even though it was scary because they threw rocks at us and even brought a home-made bomb. I went there and still will in the future, because I'm a lesbian and I'm fighting for my rights and rights of my friends. I marched in many of the recent "Women's Strike" protests to oppose a new abortion ban. Each time I risked a fine of 10 000 PLN and getting gassed or arrested by the police (COVID's ban on public gatherings) - after taxes I earn around 2500 PLN so I would probably have to pay it up for 10 years if I wanted to eat and pay the bills.

Which brings another side of my leftist views. I'm a poor working-class working hard to get to the middle class, born in a very poor and dysfunctional family (my father was an alcoholic who horrifically abused my mother). I know that "pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps" is a fucking lie. Kids growing up in poor families have not only lesser financial opportunities, but also cultural, social and scientific ones. It's like in the Fiona's Apple "Fetch The Bolt Cutters" song:

I grew up in the shoes they told me I could fill

Shoes that were not made for running up that hill

And I need to run up that hill

I need to run up that hill, I will, I will, I will, I will, I will

Because of this, I'm a socialist. I'm a leftist. But just because I don't agree with a self-ID all of the above is irrelevant I guess.

[–] MelMarieCurebee 3 points (+3|-0)

I started following international feminist accounts on Twitter because it represented radical feminism better than most American accounts. What women fight for, globally, is remarkably similar. Nigerian women complaining they're disrespected by male colleagues, for example. South Korean women complaining about unrealistic beauty standards. Yet when women in the West do this, it used to be "sexism doesn't exist anymore because we solved it" and now it's "sexism doesn't exist anymore because sex doesn't exist anymore".

Just a point - it's actually northeastern Africa that has incredibly high FGM rates. I think in West Africa it's more rare and more of a rural backwater problem, and that may be why you hear more about it and think about it like "especially in West Africa". But I know as of maybe a decade ago the rates in places like Egypt and Somalia were the highest on the continent (iirc), somewhere like 80-90% of girls. Don't quote me on that, but I've been attuned to this issue for several decades now and I believe my sense of the worst areas for it are roughly accurate.

[–] yikesforever 32 points (+32|-0) Edited

witch, bitch, feminazi, terf. All the same. We don't bow to men. And they hate it.

[–] Amareldys 4 points (+4|-0)

Yeah, it's nothing new, even in The Handmaid's Tale, the unwomen and Gilead, prior to the war, agreed on the oversexualisation of society being a problem.

[–] lucrecia 74 points (+74|-0)

Oh nice, I missed that latest edit! At this rate they'll find themselves removing text sentence by sentence until there's no article left. I was vaguely considering getting an Atlantic subscription earlier in the year, since they seemed like a paper that actually did their research a lot of the time, but HAH NO. I know it's just been linked but for posterity's sake, here's what mk (and girl_undone, and womenopausal) actually said for the interview: https://4w.pub/my-whole-conversation-with-kaitlyn-tiffany-for-the-atlantic/

[–] crlody 43 points (+43|-0) Edited

This is great. MK's a badass, I would have lost my cool with these dumbass questions after like one email lol. Did she record the phone interviews? If so are they transcribed? If not I could transcribe them. Can't stand that they are so blatantly lying about her like that.

[–] courage2courage 43 points (+43|-0)

Seriously, MK's so professional. I'd have been so fucking blunt after reading her first non-capitalised low-key "hey!"

What's with this writer's aversion to capital letters, anyway? Professional email correspondence isn't your goddamn Tumblr.

[–] MelMarieCurebee 5 points (+5|-0)

Also annoying:

She didn't number her fucking questions! She put the burden on the respondent to signify what and how they were going to respond. I found THAT unprofessional, myself. If email journalism is in your job description, fucking number your goddamned questions, imho.

[–] mkfain 24 points (+24|-0)

I didn't, I should have :(

[–] FemmeGF 3 points (+3|-0)

Your emails were so well written and researched, I honestly think you should write a response to this somewhere. I think some of these sites let you just sign up to post, yeah? Or you should talk to the Atlantic directly, clearly they’re not cool with some of the stuff this author published because they made her edit it, I bet they’d be very interested in your side of the story, and the press it would bring.

[–] Verdandi 40 points (+40|-0)

I'm posting that interview literally everywhere there's a comment section, haha

[–] [Deleted] 17 points (+17|-0)

Can someone post it on Katie Herzog's tweet about this? I think it could reach a wider audience there (and help them seem the level of misreporting the Atlantic did)

[–] Alexiares 27 points (+27|-0)

At this rate they'll find themselves removing text sentence by sentence until there's no article left.

You are so not kidding – but a blank page with the word "The" left would almost be honest!

[–] [Deleted] 13 points (+13|-0)

Yeah same here. Thank god for procrastinating and not clicking the subscribe button. Saved myself some heartache here.

[–] NewMa 10 points (+10|-0)

Same. I've considered subscribing as an alternative to NYT because WP isn't doing it for me right now.

[–] FemmeGF 7 points (+7|-0) Edited

“...was hoping you might be able to explain that a little bit more. I don't want to mischaracterize your beliefs.”

I found that comment particularly interesting. My interpretation is that she was looking for a “smoking gun.” MK’s first email was completely reasonable and had viewpoints that most people would somewhat agree with, or, at the very least, could respect and wouldn’t consider hateful.

So the interviewer kept digging and pushing to try and steer the conversation in the direction SHE wanted it to go (under the guise of trying to represent her correctly, which clearly isn’t true). This is a HUGE no no I’m journalism, I can’t believe this was ever published.

And when MK continued to be polite, respectful, and reasonable, the interviewer scrapped the entire thing and just made up what she wanted to write, and published her own biased interpretations presented as objective. Absolutely ridiculous, and a disgrace to journalism.

[–] OrneryStruggle 1 points (+1|-0)

The Atlantic is a disgusting rag and has been for years now. This is actually more honest than most of their articles from this year. The magazine is literally owned by the widow of Steve Jobs and as such is just invested in megacorp interests as Bezos-owned WaPo.

[–] bye_kevin 69 points (+69|-0)

Fascinating. I think you're spot on. Non GC people on twitter did point out on twitter that it's absurd to characterize what 99% people on the planet think as a radicalized opinion. It honestly worries me that there's an entire class of these over educated upper middle class types that inhabit the entire publishing world as well as important institutions such as ACLU and genuinely think their niche opinions are commonly held. Owen Jones told Suzanne Moore she's insecure because there's a new young generation of leftists that have "captured the public mood"... but... they never did? Their values don't reflect commonly held values at all and they don't seem to be aware of it.

[–] SpatOutTheKoolaid 48 points (+48|-0)

Some of the very, very few people in my life that I, educated lesbian in a liberal city in a very blue state, can openly discuss this topic with are my relatives (liberal to centrists) in a red state. When I told them what's really going on (and they've been noticing it more and more before I spoke up but they didn't want to talk to me before I said something because they assumed LGBT is one big happy monolith), how many "lesbians" out there with "girldicks", they really let me know how ridiculous a lot of the trans stuff is starting to look to "normies"--people who "didn't get it" but "meant well" and "support gay people". My older straight male relatives are so so far from being close to on board with penises in the women's locker room and can see right through how predatory that is and would not be OK with the women and girls they love having to put up with it. The sports issue is "obvious" to them, etc. Woke is a bubble and a lot of people (not just the "Trump supporters" as anyone who questions anything is deemed) are starting to get very, very sick of it.

[–] GelatinousRube 40 points (+40|-0)

I'm outing myself more and more with people I work with (construction). I found out some of them were holding back because they thought I was a libfem. Had a great talk last week with a dad with two trans daughters. Also most people over 40 seem resilient to hearing opinions about gc without ending their friendships with me.

[–] [Deleted] 38 points (+38|-0)

yup it's definitely alarming that such a small minority is able to have such influence and sway in places where this shit should not be allowed to fly. it just goes to show that they are the regressive ones, since they're so easily and readily accepted by the western mainstream. no group that actually fights for radical causes or against the patriarchy would be welcomed with such open arms as transactivism is.

I think what we see in our communities is true in the writing world. I’ve seen more silence from writers, out of fear. I don’t blame them. There are even more in this industry who respect writing that is good. If it’s bad, it’s bad. This was a bad piece, & it was done dishonestly. No matter what political cause some writers ally with, there will be those who see this for what it is based on that alone. Kaitlyn, I think, thought she would win a few favors with this one. She very well may. But she will lose credibility with many others, likely already has. Still, makes me wonder—what kind of writer she worked toward being originally. Did she think she’d sell out like this? Did she have a vague intention to make a difference? Most of us do, when we’re younger. Most grow out of it once they find an easier way to get paid.

Your mention of Jones’ quote is interesting, I was just thinking about that yesterday. I think about it a lot though. It feels applicable to every player in this chaos. I think most of these educated academics want to believe they’re in-tune with reality more than most, bc that elevates them. If it were to turn out that they’re not actually that smart, or present, & their musings via divination are generally incorrect, they’d have to: admit they’re wrong (impossible), & come to realize that they’re not endowed with this capacity to understand the world they live in. That’s very scary for someone whose got it in their head that they know exactly how the world works & there’s nothing else to learn, unless it’s tangential to what they already know is true, as what they know to be true is fixed & only changes when they’re comfortable to see it change. It doesn’t help academics spend a lot of time telling each other they’re right, now. I really think academia has lost its value in the last decade. Doubt has no place unless the academic is comfortable with doubt being there at that time. “Unless I say so,” basically. Is that avoidance, out of fear? Or controlling behavior, out of fear? Fear they actually know very little?

[–] bye_kevin 0 points (+0|-0)

I think about it a lot though.

omg me too, it really stayed with me. I feel like it's the key to understanding a lot of what is happening around us. Great comment.

But I wonder, is it really the last decade that academia lost its value or did we just not notice this was happening before because our values roughly aligned with theirs? I deeply resent these cultish morons for making me sound like someone's conservative dad.

[–] Veesdottir 60 points (+60|-0)

They should just let MK write a piece.

[–] Alecto 46 points (+46|-0)

They would never. She's far too persuasive and logical.

[–] yikesforever 26 points (+26|-0)

That's the problem with prominent gender critical women. Too smart, reasonable and logical. Can't let people hear or see them.

[–] [Deleted] 43 points (+43|-0)

completely agree. most publications offer people the chance to write a response article - if they don't give MK this option, it will prove that this article and the whole argument behind it will fall over like a house of cards unless it's completely shielded and protected from any kind of response or reply from the other side.

[–] [Deleted] 15 points (+15|-0)

this is what we should all request of the atlantic. (MK, Ani O'brien, or Kathleen Stock)

[–] hellamomzilla 11 points (+11|-0)

They did it to all the transactivists after they published Jesse Singal. I wouldn't bet on them doing it this time, though.

[–] TerfSedai 50 points (+50|-0)

The best part of this whole fiasco is that we have the receipts, and everything has been documented here all day. Once again, it just shows the importance of a space for women.

[–] [Deleted] 34 points (+34|-0)

precisely!! every single one of their fuck-ups, lies, and subtle attempts at hiding the truth are being recorded, as well as being viewed in real time by hundreds of people. it's just so grimly satisfying to me when they try to attack us and instead end up showing the world how intentionally deceitful, reactionary, and misogynistic their movement is. i can only imagine the number of people who have either hit or gotten closer to peak trans just because of this one article (and MK's brilliant response article).

[–] NotCis 27 points (+27|-0)

Thank god for Ovarit. They'd just disappear the changes and the backlash otherwise.

[–] NotCis 38 points (+38|-0)

Do we know that there is any backlash outside of Ovarit? Where are you seeing comments?

[–] sensusquaeram 40 points (+40|-0) Edited
[–] Kiranerys 48 points (+48|-0)

Very interesting on that Facebook link, mostly women criticizing the article and mostly men (including one particularly annoying wokebro) attacking them, name calling, calling them TERFs in lieu of argument.

...oh did I say "interesting?" I meant "completely unsurprising and totally infuriating."

[–] [Deleted] 24 points (+24|-0)

He is doing “the Lord’s” work for us. Unhinged male vs resonable women is exactly the picture we want in everyone’s collective minds.

[–] [Deleted] 20 points (+20|-0)

it's so funny how you have many various women protesting the article, and just one AGP obsessively going through all the comments and replying to them - not with anything useful, of course, just the usual "TERFs are trash" shit. quite an accurate representation of both movements I have to say

[–] [Deleted] 18 points (+18|-0)

Yeah that guy is completely unhinged and clearly a misogynist.

[–] Riothamus 17 points (+17|-0) Edited

This Giles chap is legitimately deranged.

Hopefully that article about the East German Women's Team's health problems interrupts his masturbation.

Edit: I think I've drawn his aggro. It probably burns him that I'm vastly more likely to be mistaken for a woman than he is.

[–] cupcakes_and_shiraz 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

I was about to say, whats with that one foaming at the mouth dude? He sounds unhinged.

[–] Raea 17 points (+17|-0)

Jeesh, Giles there on the facebooks really has his silky panties in a bunch.

Poor fella.

[–] PumpkinSpiceVagina 14 points (+14|-0)

I clicked on the Facebook link and got a "content not found" message, so I went to their feed and the first article was "Why Do So Many Men Watch Lesbian Porn?" 🤦 Anyway, I scrolled through and couldn't find the hit piece so I guess they didn't like how the conversation was going.

[–] Sycaid 3 points (+3|-0)

It's still there. I just clicked on it and it went to the page with the article.

[–] [Deleted] 15 points (+15|-0)

the replies to the article link tweeted both by the Atlantic and the article author are full of people criticizing it! go scroll through them for a fresh dose of faith in humanity

[–] vitunrotta 0 points (+0|-0)

Backlash in Finland, too - although subtle. Then again we are not even 6m people in total (meaning the country's population, I must add) so it's to be expected that it isn't exactly the biggest news event of the year.

There are sites where GC's talk though, and they (we) talk a LOT. I believe at least one GC - constantly posting on the most prominent Finnish discussion board - is here as well. :) Don't know who she is but DAMN she is quick to update the rest of us about everything.

[–] Lawful 36 points (+36|-0)

That's hilarious, they can't even be honest about what they literally chose to write about without the whole premise of the article falling apart.

[–] Darkmoss 36 points (+36|-0)

Such a wildly fucking offensive article to call feminists “extremists” and compare us to incels. Incels advocate for government sponsored forced prostitution and marriage and have produced several violent terrorists. Radical feminists just want to be allowed to call women, women and have our own fucking spaces. I didn’t peak because “men in lipstick are icky!!!” I peaked because a trans identified male physically assaulted me and bit down on my leg and wouldn’t let go because I said no to sex. And then a different trans identified male I dated yelled at me multiple times for not agreeing to playing out rape fantasies and accused me of thinking of him as a man every time I turned down sex. Then a different trans identified male lead me into the woods for the implied purpose of murdering me. Three years of life changing trauma and abuse because my woke circles wouldn’t let me think about the truth and I didn’t know how to advocate for myself. How’s that for a fucking peak story?? But oh, I’m so sorry that twans women fewt incomfowtable on Twitter and that makes us the terrorists. Cool

[–] kaethar 33 points (+33|-0)

The one positive with this is the free advertisement. I saw the article on Twitter and got an invite, very happy to be here now. =)

[–] Tackiestones 14 points (+14|-0)

I think a lot of people will see Grace Lavery talking about Peak Trans stories: "Many of these stories are told “with a sense of excitement, guilt, fear … it’s disturbing but thrilling,” Lavery, the UC Berkeley professor, told me. “All the usual stuff that people who get involved in extremist groups find.” and get curious, read them and then find that this is not an accurate at all.

[–] ladybrainhaver 9 points (+9|-0)

Right? Like, anyone who does any investigation at all will see how completely farcical this article is. There are threads about knitting on here for christ's sake. They probably just peaked hella new people without us having to lift a finger.

[–] Luckystar 5 points (+5|-0) Edited

That quote was so revealing. "Thrilling"? Great to learn Joe is just coming here to get his rocks off to us talking about how people like him traumatized us with their violence and sexual assault threats/reality.

[–] OrneryStruggle 2 points (+2|-0)

Personally I wish she had described the meme that people were laughing at on here, the "they're becoming self aware" one. Telling that she didn't link or describe its contents.

[–] [Deleted] 12 points (+12|-0)

aww welcome! :)) and yup, their attempted exposé have massively backfired - the only thing they've done is advertise a website where sane women can safely express their opinions lmaoo

[–] sensusquaeram 10 points (+10|-0)

Nice! Welcome to Sanity Island.

[–] kaethar 15 points (+15|-0) Edited

Thanks for the welcome! It's nice with a safe space. Discourse on Twitter can exhausting and this will be a nice reprieve. Open debate is important but we can't exist like that 100% of the time. I find it ironic that this article accuses us of existing in echo chambers, as if gc people aren't met with dissenting opinions on every corner (plus we were literally banned from Reddit, it wasn't by choice).

I'd argue the opposite is true, the only real echo chambers I see being built is by TRA's on Twitter/Reddit/Tumblr where they ban/block all dissenting opinions. They're a big enough group that they actually are quite insulated in general from outside opinions, so if anyone should be worried about indoctrination and being unknowingly radicalised it should be them. :/ But they're clearly not ready for that conversation...

[–] sensusquaeram 7 points (+7|-0)

It's a good time to be here, and the mods are adding more topical circles as interest grows. Not exactly what I would call an echo chamber. ☺️

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