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I wanted to vent a little about this; I am shocked by the amount of young girls I'm seeing on social media posting about their "gender affirming double mastectomies". Plenty of "nonbinary" ones, as well, not just TiFs. And I've been seeing a lot of them where they no longer even keep their nipples; they just have one giant long scar going across their chests. I don't understand what "gender" this is even supposed to imitate.

I don't know how many of you use Twitter, but the other day I just typed in "top surgery" in the search bar, and I'm not kidding, I got so many results of random girls, mostly teenagers (many 18!!) proudly posting photos of their bare, scarred chests.

There were a couple that were particularly jarring to me. I saw one who posted a photo of herself with the one long scar, excitedly exclaiming "I finally got to walk shirtless at the beach!" and there were several comments going "you look so good! You look so hot!" Checked her bio, 18, nonbinary, she/they. No other signs of "transitioning", long hair, makeup, nails done, but this long scar and no nipples. How would this make you feel more comfortable going shirtless on the beach? I can't imagine how many more people would be apt to stare at a young, shirtless woman with a long surgical scar and no nipples running around at the beach.

There were more than a few that claimed they had hysterectomies done already too, and they're not even out of their teenage years. And so many of them are doing porn. TiF porn seems to be an entire genre for so many of them. Posting their mutilated chests, and pumped up clitorises all over social media.

The amounts of positive comments and people who look up to them. I really wonder how these women will feel in 10 years, or even in 5. I'm in my mid-20s now, and I feel so much different mentally than how I felt at 18. There most definitely will be an absolute explosion of detransitioned women.

I wanted to vent a little about this; I am shocked by the amount of young girls I'm seeing on social media posting about their "gender affirming double mastectomies". Plenty of "nonbinary" ones, as well, not just TiFs. And I've been seeing a lot of them where they no longer even keep their nipples; they just have one giant long scar going across their chests. I don't understand what "gender" this is even supposed to imitate. I don't know how many of you use Twitter, but the other day I just typed in "top surgery" in the search bar, and I'm not kidding, I got so many results of random girls, mostly teenagers (many 18!!) proudly posting photos of their bare, scarred chests. There were a couple that were particularly jarring to me. I saw one who posted a photo of herself with the one long scar, excitedly exclaiming "I finally got to walk shirtless at the beach!" and there were several comments going "you look so good! You look so hot!" Checked her bio, 18, nonbinary, she/they. No other signs of "transitioning", long hair, makeup, nails done, but this long scar and no nipples. How would this make you feel more comfortable going shirtless on the beach? I can't imagine how many more people would be apt to stare at a young, shirtless woman with a long surgical scar and no nipples running around at the beach. There were more than a few that claimed they had hysterectomies done already too, and they're not even out of their teenage years. And so many of them are doing porn. TiF porn seems to be an entire genre for so many of them. Posting their mutilated chests, and pumped up clitorises all over social media. The amounts of positive comments and people who look up to them. I really wonder how these women will feel in 10 years, or even in 5. I'm in my mid-20s now, and I feel so much different mentally than how I felt at 18. There most definitely will be an absolute explosion of detransitioned women.

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It's the new anorexia and cutting. Except now people are profiting from it and gaining power from supporting it so it's even more dangerous. Anorexia/self harm was and still is incredibly dangerous, and most importantly highly socially contagious.

In a few years it'll be seen exactly how anorexia and self harm are now- just an "annoying attention grab from annoying girls." These girls will be despised more than the professional adults profiting. You can see it happening already even in GC spheres. People hate teenage girls, what can I say.

As a former anorexic and cutter... yeah.

But no one listens to me. I feel like Cassandra.

It's really sad. Had I been able to do this as a teen I would've and would've regretted it. I started growing in first grade, can't even explain how horrible it is to be the only girl for years starting puberty and already being sexualized at age 7.

All I'd have to do is walk in and say "i feel like _" and get DOUBLE MASTECTOMY at age 14, but I still can't get reduction at age 23? After six years of documented pain that didn't improve with 70lbs weight loss, and four referrals from a doctor for reduction surgery, I'm still here waiting and struggling with pain and hearing every day some girl or woman who went and willing chopped body parts off because feelings. Women actually needing surgery or healthcare are more often being tossed aside in favor of gender roleplaying games and women who need mental healthcare get to be the guinea pig victims instead of receiving care either

I've known so many women who were denied breast reductions despite YEARS of documented, crippling back pain and other issues stemming from their large breast size. But little girls who have barely started developing can get them chopped off just by claiming to have a boy soul! Its so fucked up

I'm infuriated on your behalf. It makes absolutely no sense to keep denying a reduction after all you've been through. Did they say why they won't cover it? I've always wondered exactly what they say to women, what their bullshit excuses are.

I don't have large breasts, but when I was at my heaviest I found them quite cumbersome anyway. I can't imagine what it's like having that burden no matter what you do.

[–] legopants 4 points Edited

They haven't even contacted me. My doctor has sent a referral four times and they just haven't contacted me. All I can do is keep having him send the referral to have anything possibly covered by insurance.

From what I've read, the doctors who do these surgeries on trans people are shady af tho? I'm not sure the surgeons you mention and the ones who operate on trans people are the same...

[–] VestalVirgin 43 points Edited

How would this make you feel more comfortable going shirtless on the beach? I can't imagine how many more people would be apt to stare at a young, shirtless woman with a long surgical scar and no nipples running around at the beach.

It's not about the staring. It's the men drooling and wanking to it that they want to avoid.

There is not much difference to the saint who allegedly cut off her breasts after a man perved on her because of them. It's a survival reaction. The lizard drops its tail, women drop their breasts ... just that breasts don't grow back.

They don't mind being stared at for tattoos or blue hair, or weird scars. They just don't want to be pursued by pervy men.

Men being men, I am sure there are already plenty who have a fetish for women with amputated breasts, so ... I doubt it will work the way they hope.

God, this reminds me of this disgusting bloke on twitter who said that he was so enraged by women wearing niqabs and headscarves for modesty purposes that he deliberately cultivated a niqab fetish. Whenever he saw a covered up woman in public he would think lewd thoughts about her and imagine her naked to psychically punish her for trying to cover her body up from the male gaze. Men will fetishise anything.

Of course he imagined to manifest his sexual urges by hitting the woman 🙄🙄

Oh, there seem to be plenty attracted to it after the fact. Some of those Onlyfans and things I was mentioning that these girls make after getting their surgeries get fairly popular with men. Men have every fetish under the sun.

Exactly. They do all this to avoid the male gaze and end up attracting an even more degenerate group of men.

Why would anyone wanting to avoid the male gaze go on OnlyFans?! It just underlines how very confused these girls are, imho.

But now TIF porn is a thing? Make it make sense!!!

[–] EternaEspiral evil latina terf 1 points

Is this why the lizard emoji is a detrans symbol??

[–] female 2 points Edited

Kind of. The creator of the lizard as a detrans symbol has stated on her blog that it represents "autotomy" - an animal's ability to regenerate parts of itself - and used it as a metaphor for healing:

I originated the symbol of the lizard shedding and regenerating her tail as a metaphor for detrans women. In 2015, when I created a press to publish the Blood & Visions zine (to my knowledge, the first print publication by, for & about women of this experience), I named it Autotomous Womyn’s Press. Autotomy is the name for that ability that some animals have to lose and regenerate parts of themselves. I learned the word in a poem by that title written by Wislawa Szymborska. In 2015, in the zine, I wrote, the following definition for our Glossary: “Autotomous-Describes the ability of an animal (or metaphorically, a womon) to release a part of her body/self and abandon it in order that she may survive attack or injury. Examples of autotomous animals are lizards (autotomous because of their tails), sea cucumbers (their ability to divide), and starfish (their arms). Some autotomous creatures regenerate the parts of themselves they have sacrificed, to some extent. The creature is never wholly the same but in most cases, she does survive.”

Has nobody told any of these girls that hysterectomies will put you into menopause and you don’t really want to spend your life from the age of 18 being oestrogen deficient and prone to osteoporosis and all the rest of it.

I don’t even get the concept of ‘gender affirming’. You are what you are - why do you need surgery to convince you? Because that’s what it sounds like, less ‘affirmation’ and more trying to convince themselves they can opt out of womanhood. It’s like they never heard of androgyny or butch women which have both been around for ever.

I’m also worried at how people seem to be trivialising surgery. Sure elective surgery is cheaper and more accessible than ever but general anaesthetic is still a big deal. A surgeon fiddling with you is a big deal. I’ve nothing against having surgery if and when you need it (had to a couple of times myself) but I think it’s really important to realise that a surgeon modifying your body in any way is something that needs very careful thought and consideration. It’s not like having your nails done. It is a serious medical procedure.

[–] hmimperialtortie AGP = evil 6 points

Not merely menopause - they raise your chances of developing dementia, and developing it early.

The wave of sickly women in their 40s who had this done in their teens or early 20s will be a tidal wave. It's astounding how established medical care and knowledge are thrown out the window for delusions, but delusions that pay really well. Sickening.

The wave of sickly women in their 40s who had this done in their teens or early 20s will be a tidal wave.

Honestly, I think the major health problems will come in their 30s (ESPECIALLY for the ones who took blockers and never had real puberty). They'll be LUCKY if it takes until their 40s for their health to take a nosedive. 😥

Everyone i know who lived an unhealthy lifestyle in their youth started feeling the consequences by their mid-30s. I imagine that will be the case for TIPs as well (except their problems will be WAY worse than the dude who smoked too much weed in his 20s)

[–] hmimperialtortie AGP = evil 3 points

By then they’ll be “Karens” aka old unsexy and worth even less than they are now.

I'm also worried at how people seem to be trivialising surgery. Sure elective surgery is cheaper and more accessible than ever but general anaesthetic is still a big deal. A surgeon fiddling with you is a big deal.

One of the biggest sins of genderwoo is how its convincing people that major surgeries like double mastectomies are no more significant than getting a pedicure or removing a wart. Anyone with a shred of medical knowledge knows that surgery is a BIG deal. Going under anesthesia is a BIG deal. The risk if nerve damage, infection, sepsis, etc is a BIG deal. But we have shady surgeons going on TikTok and advertising these procedures as if they’re a new line of clothing and not life altering surgery. Its so disgusting and predatory

Yup, nothing says "I'm a bigstrongmanlyman" like breaking a bone every time someone looks at you funny.

I don't understand the parents giving consent for these surgeries. It's sick. Even if you are being manipulated into thinking your kid is suicidal, aren't there some things where you would say 'no way, wait til you're older? Surgery is always a big deal, risks of anesthesia, bleeding, infection. I knew of a 16 year old who died during a nose job. A fucking cosmetic nose job. And all I could think when I heard that was gee, I bet she looked great with her new nose lying in a casket.

[–] yesisaiditxx 2 points Edited

I’ve had this conversation several times and friends either agree or think I sound like a monster but I’ll say before my kid is 18 the answer is no even if he says he wants to God forbid kill him self. Why? Because I don’t believe if you’re already in the mental state of someone who would say they want to kill themselves that cutting your dick off and pretending to have a vagina is guaranteed to help. It’s brutal to think about your own flesh and blood in those harsh terms— and I’m sure TRAs would see me like an honor-killing Muslim or something— but there are some things in life that someone shouldn’t be allowed to attain simply by threatening suicide. Obviously I wouldn’t react carelessly just like “ok”, but I would give all my reasons as to why I think it won’t make a difference and would actually make his life much worse. I’d have to trust the chances he’d actually go through with suicide were lower than the chances he’d be miserable post surgery….and that’s how I feel on the whole about that situation.

Again TRAs would interpret this as me saying I’d rather my kid not be here, which is obviously astronomically untrue. I would let myself die to save his life. I’d tackle a bear and body shield him in a shooting. I simply— again— don’t believe that the gamble on maintaining a will to live is in favor of allowing that surgery.

Even if you are being manipulated into thinking your kid is suicidal, aren't there some things where you would say 'no way, wait til you're older?

Most average people don't have a lot of medical literacy. They rely on the doctors to honestly explain the risks vs benefits of any given procedure. And we know these gender quacks tend to minimize the risks (if they even bother to talk about them at all). Or they just scare the parents into believing that their child will 100% definitely kill herself if she doesn't get the mastectomy & hysterectomy before her 18th birthday

I’d bet a lot of them don’t chose the no nipple look, it ends up happening because the nipple basically has to be cut out and sewn back on to get it in the right spot. It’s very hard to get the blood hooked up properly and they frequently end up having to be removed or falling off.

If they do chose it, it may be because it’s an easier surgery and several hours shorter.

Of course some do pick it, but I doubt most prefer the look.

Some insurance won't pay for the nipple grafting, so they only get the mastectomy.

Who are the surgeons doing this? How much money are they making? Do they have nice homes in rich areas bought with the profits from mutilating young girls? Inquiring minds want to know.

[–] PaulaAlquist ERA USA! 9 points

Dr Sidhbh Treasa Gallagher I am sorry to introduce you to this madwoman.

[–] eire 20 points

The way she makes tiktoks and utilises that medium makes it very clear she knows what age group she's targeting. That's what makes it rather sinister in my opinion.

Stepford Gallagher is a fucking monster. I cannot believe its even legal to aggressively market major cosmetic surgeries to children the way that she does.

[–] EternaEspiral evil latina terf 1 points Edited

Damn, she's a monster of a woman. She did that to a 13 year old!??!

The fact that us women are censored at all from the top down shows how woman hating our society is. I'm tired of seeing women's breasts referred to as "sexual" when their only function is optional baby feeding. That's IT.

These women have to live with horrible scarring where when men with massive moobs can run around freely. If women's breasts weren't censored or pornified, would this change? I can totally empathize wanting to be free from the male gaze and how our culture (American mostly, parts of Europe don't care) is fixated on the female breast...but cutting young women up?

Should we give lipo to anorexic girls? Why not?? Anything seems to be on the table at this rate we are going!

It's crazy to me that in my online social circle I know several young women who have had mastectomies. They take pics, coo over each other, and declare how awesome it is that they can now walk around topless without it being obscene and without pervert men ogling them. It's terribly sad to me that their solution to get a bit more freedom is to chop healthy body parts off. Oh yes, and they are all conventionally feminine as well.

[–] saint-noir 2 points Edited

I remember that when Noelle Stevenson posted about, and later created a comic on how she chopped off her breasts, many girls wrote that they were extremely jealous of her, and said they were saving money to do the same. I looked at their accounts, and noticed that many of them were in middle school. Then you'll see teenagers-20 year olds making music videos that show off their scarred chests. There are endless amounts of cutesy fanart of popular characters with top surgery scars, and of course, celebrity women getting this surgery (many of those celebrities are popular in the animated *or YA fandom sphere.) There was a documentary that was on YouTube, around 2012 I think, centered on an 8 year old girl with ED, and how an increasing number of girls as young as elementary age were becoming anorexic, now we have an increasing rate of young girls wanting to remove body parts.

I'm not that old, but I remember hating my breasts especially in middle school. You're going through puberty, you still don't have an adult mind, and your body is in this odd in-between stage. Now I'm 24, and I'm waaaayyy more comfortable with my body, especially with regular exercise, and a healthy diet. I didn't have to chop off healthy body parts to achieve this comfortability. When you're 24-25 your brain is fully developed, and you're older, and hopefully don't have the mindset to seek validation from others. But, it seems that no one in these girl's lives are telling them this.

And I've been seeing a lot of them where they no longer even keep their nipples; they just have one giant long scar going across their chests. I don't understand what "gender" this is even supposed to imitate.

Anime and video games. There's a subreddit for this exact look (I think it's called nipless or something) and the top post of all time was Link from the Legend of Zelda. A video game character, who is drawn in a stylized way... that was their "transition goals". It'd be like cutting your mouth off because Hello Kitty doesn't have a mouth

There hasn’t been a lot of discussion here about breast reduction normalization in North America. I’ve been deeply harmed by breast reduction propaganda, and helped by proper fitting size inclusive bras, body neutrality, weight loss, and education. People are way too comfortable to unsolicitedly suggest breast reduction these days. It’s a major surgery and to undertake it on healthy breast tissue, especially in the E-I cup size range, seems like a money grab and chasing an ‘ideal’ body type. Medicalizing otherwise healthy bodies is a bummer.

I don't see the problem with breast reductions if it's affecting your health and you're in pain and are evaluated and educated about the health risks for surgery. None of the women I know who had breast reductions did it for beauty, they were all in pain.

[–] Criticalcat 1 points Edited

I agree that if you are evaluated and in pain that decision is between you and your doctor and insurance should cover it in those well documented and physically limiting circumstances, unfortunately my experience has been women I know getting reductions for ‘pain’ to try to pass insurance, but really to fit into stock swimwear, wear bralettes, go braless, and other aesthetic and sociaital pressure reasons. (I personally know three women, and one of them convinced another to get it herself)

Idunno, I haven't really seen people normalizing reductions as much. I've seen the normalization of cutting it all off much more. But I'm a 32J and it's quite difficult to live with, besides being worried about how much bigger I would get after pregnancy. I have seen women much, much smaller than me though (like DD-DDD) talking about reductions, which has puzzled me

For whatever it's worth, a lot of women actually lose a cup size or two post-baby. My sister-in-law did. (I stayed the same and wear a 34H or 36GG these days depending on the bra.)

I have seen women much, much smaller than me though (like DD-DDD) talking about reductions, which has puzzled me

I see this a lot too and consider this normalization! Especially when women on the smaller end of large breasted report back pain and expect it to be covered by insurance.

[–] hufflepuff-poet wytch babe 1 points

Why shouldn't it be covered by insurance if it's causing back pain? I'm curious because a breast reduction has always seemed like a reasonable medical intervention to me. I'm not large breasted but many of my friends are and even the smaller end (DDs) complain of back pain and how it limits their physical freedoms; ability to exercise, run, be braless.

Especially when women on the smaller end of large breasted report back pain and expect it to be covered by insurance.

Why shouldn't insurance cover it if the woman is in pain and its impacting her quality of life!? I get that surgery shouldn't be the first resort. But saying that women in pain from their large breasts need to just stop whining and suck it up is cruel.

In my experience, the opposite is true. Every woman I've known who desired a breast reduction had to spend YEARS jumping through hoops to convince insurance/Medicare to cover it.

The ones I’ve known have skipped insurance altogether, because it can be done on an elective basis.

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