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Why are teenage girls given puberty blockers? Even for teenage boys the benefits are nebulous. But with teenage girls, what are they getting in exchange for sterility, brain damage and osteoporosis? No one seems to know. The ostensible benefits are that it helps them “pass” when they’re older. But of course it doesn’t. It makes them shorter, and height is the biggest giveaway with TIFs.

Girls want them anyway, because they don’t want to go through puberty. Girls damaging themselves because puberty is horrific is hardly a new thing. But adults helping them do it, on an industrial scale, is new.

If the goal really was to help them pass as adults, you’d give teenage TIFs human growth hormone, to make them taller than they would have been otherwise. But no one seems to have even considered that. Why?

The girls themselves might not want HGH, because it wouldn’t help them stave off puberty. But the adults in charge - who are supposed to be thinking of the long term future of these girls and are ostensibly doing all this to help them be passable transmen in future - why didn’t they think of this? They certainly aren’t averse to wild medical experimentation on children in the name of “passing” and HGH is at least safer than Lupron.

This made something click for me… what if the goal for the adults was always the same as the goal for the girls? It’s not making them look like men. It’s helping them avoid puberty. The girls will end up shorter and weaker and mentally less developed than they would have been otherwise and if they never take T they won’t look like adults.

The transmen who get puberty blockers and then go on to take T aren’t the endgame here. The goal is to have adult human females who look like female children.

So I would really like to know who started the practice of putting teenage girls through the “Dutch protocol.” Why didn’t they question if it would be valuable for girls? I’m sure a lot of clinicians doing it are just useful idiots, chasing $$$ or just following the herd. But who started the stampede?

Why are teenage girls given puberty blockers? Even for teenage boys the benefits are nebulous. But with teenage girls, what are they getting in exchange for sterility, brain damage and osteoporosis? No one seems to know. The ostensible benefits are that it helps them “pass” when they’re older. But of course it doesn’t. It makes them shorter, and height is the biggest giveaway with TIFs. Girls want them anyway, because they *don’t want to go through puberty.* Girls damaging themselves because puberty is horrific is hardly a new thing. But adults helping them do it, on an industrial scale, is new. If the goal really was to help them pass as adults, you’d give teenage TIFs human growth hormone, to make them taller than they would have been otherwise. But no one seems to have even considered that. Why? The girls themselves might not want HGH, because it wouldn’t help them stave off puberty. But the adults in charge - who are supposed to be thinking of the long term future of these girls and are ostensibly doing all this to help them be passable transmen in future - why didn’t they think of this? They certainly aren’t averse to wild medical experimentation on children in the name of “passing” and HGH is at least safer than Lupron. This made something click for me… *what if the goal for the adults was always the same as the goal for the girls?* It’s not making them look like men. *It’s helping them avoid puberty.* The girls will end up shorter and weaker and mentally less developed than they would have been otherwise and if they never take T they won’t look like adults. The transmen who get puberty blockers and then go on to take T aren’t the endgame here. The goal is to have adult human females who look like female children. So I would really like to know who started the practice of putting teenage girls through the “Dutch protocol.” Why didn’t they question if it would be valuable for girls? I’m sure a lot of clinicians doing it are just useful idiots, chasing $$$ or just following the herd. But who started the stampede?

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Haha no. It was 'first come first served'. I actually quit listening to Gender A Wider Lens after listening to this because it was horrific--but then Stella and Sasha did another episode where they said they found it as horrific as everyone else listening to them did.

https://gender-a-wider-lens.captivate.fm/episode/66-pioneers-series-where-it-all-started-the-dutch-researchers-steensma-de-vries

https://gender-a-wider-lens.captivate.fm/episode/69-pioneers-series-post-series-analysis-break

You know what, I think I got my information on the subject from Jesse Singal, and he tends to give these people far too much credit. Idk why he even bothers any more, at this stage he could just up and say that the whole field of youth gender medicine is bullshit and riddled with psychopaths and shysters, and the field should not even exist. But he always pushes the “I’m so reasonable” line that some of the clinicians are good and that some kids really do benefit from transition.

It is all experimental unethical bullshit all the way down. I blame the Dutch clinicians the most. They are ones who started and popularized medical transition of children.