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[–] worried19 30 points (+30|-0)

(A word of advice going forward to the newest member of my gender: there’s nothing manly about crying on TV).

Of course there isn't anything wrong with crying about something serious, whether on TV or not, but this reminded me of another story about a group of trans teenagers who got kicked out of a men's restroom at the Iowa state capitol. Purportedly out of fear for their safety as minor females. Anyway, the story told how the students were in tears because of it. Kind of crazy that almost nothing else shows female socialization as clearly as that. I cannot imagine a group of typical teenage boys crying because they were kicked out of a bathroom.

[–] ladybrainhaver 27 points (+30|-3)

I agree with the premise of the article but the tone he uses when discussing Ellen is pretty condescending and insensitive. She's going through something (not a shock considering the sexist and homophobic harassment she's endured) and deserves compassion. I'm sure there was a way the author could've gotten his point across without being an asshole.

[–] worried19 16 points (+18|-2)

I'm sure it wasn't a coincidence that "Elleniot" sounds like "idiot."

When I first heard the news about Page, I was upset. Now I just feel bad for Page more than anything. Internalized misogyny is a constant struggle for me and I'm sure for a lot of other women. I believe the skyrocketing number of women who don't want to be female anymore is a sign of something deeply wrong in our society.

Well, "Elleniot" is a logical portmanteau of "Ellen" and "Elliott". It does sound a bit like "idiot", but I'm not sure that is the reason it would have been created. It might have been...but also plausibly wasn't.

[–] worried19 1 points (+1|-0)

I'm sure it was a dig at her, going with the overall sarcasm of the article, but it's ambiguous enough that he could deny it if accused.

Not that I think sarcasm is unwarranted or anything. Along with feeling bad for Page, I still feel angry society has come to this and that otherwise rational adults who grew up understanding basic biology seem to have collectively lost their damn minds.

[–] Lilith-Fair [OP] 11 points (+12|-1)

You guys are being too kind. I don't doubt that she experienced sexism and homophobia, but the traumatic personal experiences and homophobia can be said of many transwomen we criticize here too. Personally I don't feel the need to apply a double standard. Page is 31 years old, not a child. If she has issues, she needs to seek therapy and find ways to deal with it. By coming out like this, she got a lot of hugboxes, so she opens herself up to ridicule too. I'm done coddling genderspecials. Nothing said in this article is even CLOSE to the insults hurled at women every day, or the death and rape threats thrown at women she has now abandoned.

And I do wonder the judgements of someone who so readily bought Jussie Smollett's hoax.

[–] spinstah 10 points (+10|-0)

The way he describes her as a "boy" and a "bratty teenager" gives me evidence for the general impression I have about her transition.

Page is very petite, and society doesn't treat any woman well about maturing and gaining age and wisdom, but it's downright weird towards short women. People will treat you as younger than you are, as if you are childish. It's another layer to deal with in a culture that believes women's worth disappears at age 30.

So you can forge your own identity totally against the tide, or you can transition into a perma-teen boy...

[–] sosorreal 7 points (+7|-0)

Generally I would agree with you but I think (and hope) this has just gone too far for people so they are being more critical and talking back. Overall, I think it’s good to see.

[–] [Deleted] 2 points (+2|-0)

I feel protective about Page too. There’s a real person mixed up in all this stuff.

[–] Lilith-Fair [OP] 22 points (+22|-0)

Full Text:

Americans found themselves divided into two camps this week — the mildly skeptical and the fervently disinterested — when the actress formally known as Ellen Page announced she was a boy called Elliot and, in fact, always has been a boy.

In the proclamation, posted to Instagram, Page not only came out as transgender — meaning she was born one sex but identifies as the other — but also as non-binary — which means she actually has no sex. Yes, it makes no sense. But try not to think too much about, she clearly hasn’t either.

You’re forgiven if you might be hesitant to rewrite the science textbooks for a 33-year-old actress so gullible she wept on national television over the Jussie Smollett hate crime hoax. (A word of advice going forward to the newest member of my gender: there’s nothing manly about crying on TV). For many, Page seems to embody a sort of boutique transgenderism we’re all now accustomed to seeing, a prêt-à-porter queer identity that is so mired with inconsistency and highfalutin gender theory as to be rendered utterly meaningless.

Still, following Page’s big reveal, yucksters on social media squawked with the usual tongue-in-cheek observations: as a white male does this mean Page now has privilege? Did Page steal dozens of parts from female actors? Is her wife now heterosexual? Does her Best Actress nomination now render the Academy transphobic? And that breakout role as a pregnant teenager in the film Juno just got very avant-garde.

This is no longer an effective strategy against the agents of liberalism. Transgender ideology has become so muddled the left threw in the towel on the Sisyphean effort to explain and defend all its inherent contradictions. Cheer, hit the ‘like’ button, don’t think too much about it, the marching orders go.

And leave it to Big Tech to immediately correct the historical record in Elleniot’s service. There was never someone named Ellen and Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia. Google inserted the name ‘Elliot’ into all search results and Wikipedia was wiped clean. Even the official account of Instagram commented on Page’s announcement, writing, ‘hello Eliot and thank you for using your voice and sharing your story.’

Of course Instagram would chime in: the platform is nothing more than a galaxy of manufactured identities. From another perfect day on the Grecian islands, to the feigned naïveté of a thirsty gym selfie, to eradicating basic biology by throwing on a baseball cap and baggy t-shirt — Instagram’s model isn’t the twee, one-dimensional veneer of human contentment displayed across the platform, but the crippling loneliness and desperate search for validation that festers just below the surface.

In 2014, Page made a splash when she came out as a lesbian in the most high-profile way possible. Which begs another question: did she know she was a man at the time? If so, why the two-tiered approach? Or, as most people suspect, did Page simply miss seeing her name in the headlines and, like many millennial endorphin-junkies, capitalize a chance to cook up a hot needle of false, detached, insincere digital validation?

No one is more quietly peeved at Elleniot than America’s beleaguered lesbians. Lesbian culture is going extinct and Page is only the most recent death knell. There are only 15 lesbian bars remaining in the entire United States. Many LGBs quietly wonder if the transgender wave, particularly where children are concerned, is a massive and sinister gay conversion therapy program. Maybe that’s among the reasons Democrats like Iran so much — the Islamic fiefdom performs more gender reassignment surgeries than any nation on earth, funded by the government as a perceived cure for homosexuality.

All of this only works to discredit the entire thing. Elleniot comes off looking like a spoiled teenager. Even if most Americans don’t understand gender dysphoria they tend to be compassionate and default to a live-and-let-live attitude toward transgender individuals.

For decades, transsexualism, as it was formally known, was a private affair. For those struggling, the preservation of human dignity would have been paramount in the confines of a doctor-patient relationship. But today the trans movement isn’t concerned with tolerance or civil rights or quiet dignity, but seeks to push the boundaries on how far activists can fundamentally alter reality. Transgenderism has become a circus and a political weapon — as well as perhaps the most destructive and contradictory pseudo-philosophy of our time. And that does real damage to actual transgender individuals who’ve watched their private struggle get co-opted by teeny-boppers, social Marxists and/or perhaps developmentally-stunted Hollywood actors.

[–] Boudicaea 18 points (+18|-0)

There was never someone named Ellen and Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

Great line

[–] [Deleted] 11 points (+11|-0)

In the proclamation, posted to Instagram, Page not only came out as transgender — meaning she was born one sex but identifies as the other — but also as non-binary — which means she actually has no sex. Yes, it makes no sense. But try not to think too much about, she clearly hasn’t either.

Brilliant.

[–] [Deleted] 18 points (+18|-0)

really good article. i cracked up at "elleniot" and "there was never someone named ellen and oceania has always been at war with eastasia" lol

[–] Ygritte 15 points (+15|-0)

I feel like I give this unimportant person too much attention and time every time I see her name. So lemme summarize: Internalized lesbophobia is sad. There's a rumor she was fearful Netflix would terminate her contract for that mediocre show the Umbrella Academy. Anyway, her career was failing as it is, so this was a desperate publicity stunt. I heard her talking passionately against gay conversion therapy 5 years ago and now she converted herself to heterosexuality "voluntarily".

Hollywood will really eat you up alive if you don't build walls and even then it's not guaranteed you'll remain unscanthed.

[–] XX_Power 6 points (+6|-0)

So is her wife now officially cured from the dreaded homosexuality? Usually when TIMs transition they dump their partners because they want to be seen as women and obviously most of their wives were just boring old heteros. But now either Ellen's wife sees her still as a woman, which would obviously be the height of transphobia, or her wife coincidentally became straight at the exact same time that Ellen realised she's a dude. Which one is it?

[–] Ygritte 7 points (+7|-0)

tHey aRe qUEeR

[–] pennygadget 1 points (+1|-0)

tHey aRe qUEeR

Exactly!! Being a gross, boring homo is so old fashioned!! Being qUEeR means you can collect those sweet oppression tokens even if your sexuality is made up bullshit!

[–] hellamomzilla 6 points (+6|-0)

Um, didn't you read about her wife? Literally, trans people get to boss everyone around and tell them what to say and how to think, but, meanwhile, none of us are allowed to ask them how any of this works or why we have to do what they say. In fact, literally my favorite thing from the wife was she said it "triggers" her when she's described in the press as a "dance teacher" because she hasn't done that in several years and it's not who she is.

This is just two people who are, in colloquial terms, self-absorbed assholes.

Brilliant article.

We need some articles like this that point to the "wokeness" and "faddishness" of this movement, and the sheer absurdity of it all. "Elleniot" surely does that.

Good article, but how can one be “fervently disinterested”?

[–] OrneryStruggle 1 points (+1|-0)

I think he meant uninterested.

Damn, it’s been a long time since I saw uninterested used - most people seem to use disinterested for both meanings. Though I still wonder how one could be fervently uninterested, lol. If he was joking, it went straight through to the keeper here!

[–] Camberian 3 points (+3|-0)

I'd rather have seen him write that article about someone like Fallon Fox or Veronica Ivy.

[–] goldenheartcc 3 points (+3|-0)

this lesbian desperately needed a chuckle over the whole ellenpage"gate". I mean yeah I do feel bad for her and at the same time... she just spit all over her fellow lesbians and her status as a celebrity, no matter how b rate she's been recently or whatever, unfortunately means she has influence over the 80% of children (Especially young lesbians or gnc girls) who would have grown out of GD to instead become permanent medical patients and take cross sex hormones and cut off parts of their bodies... may well influence young women too, esp the ones whose coming out stories had a lot to do with Ellen herself coming out. Yeahhhh idk if I feel tooo bad but I've grown more and more cynical so maybe I'm just an ass...

[–] pennygadget 0 points (+0|-0)

It's possible to feel bad for someone while also acknowledging that they're a piece of shit whose decisions might lead people to get hurt

[–] goldenheartcc 0 points (+0|-0)

you're right... but as the days go by, I feel less and less bad idk :/ I just want her followers to leave her wife alone (don't know if there's been any more hassle but if there has been, they need to knock it off)

[–] pennygadget 0 points (+0|-0)

I just want her followers to leave her wife alone

Page's followers harassed her wife? Why? Did she commit the mortal sin of continuing to call herself a lesbian?