[–] NoDayForADo 1 points Edited

This is the kind of campground people return to year after year, keeping a trailer or RV as a vacation spot, more than a spur of the moment camping spot. I'm wondering if the Ruizes were regulars, had been coming there for years, the owner or supervisors or whatever knew them, knew "Noah" was female, and brought the bathroom subject up, as opposed to "Noah" asking which bathroom to use. That part IS really weird but it makes sense if the family was known at the campground and the owner brought it up. And what's weird is 5-10 years ago people would have looked at her and thought "oh, tomboy" and that's the end whereas now you have to wonder what sort of attention she might be looking to draw to herself.

I might speculate that "Noah" was pissed off about this and made it a point to create waves in the bathroom ... but that would be speculation.

If you go to Selena's - er, Noah's - fb page, she actually has full on facial hair and everything. Looks way more male than in this article. Also seems to have quite the history of going into women's bathrooms and taking pics looking as male as possible. Also has a gofundme looking to make 20k lol... at this point in the story, 80 men have shown up to fight her, and her friends and family are all in the bathroom as well. That bathroom must be huge!

Hmmmm. I smell a scam. Actually maybe she DID ask which bathroom to use, just to further the story.

Also in her Facebook her big complaint against the police is that she told them she is a female and was denied a female officer. TIPs just seem to pick whatever identity is most convenient. So trans on gofundme but a female to police

I can’t feel totally bad for her to be honest. She did everything in her power to “pass” as a man and exclude herself from womanhood but still felt entitled to use womens spaces. She passed and then used to “I’m transgender” line as if men aren’t going out of their way to use the bathroom with the transgender excuse all the time these days. The only reason I feel bad is because she is a female that was beaten and harassed by a group of men but if this was an actual man, I wouldn’t have cared less.

[–] loren 10 points Edited


You don’t get to cherry pick based on your own comfort while ignoring the comfort of everyone else around you every single time. If you want to be a dude, go be a proper dude. Switching back and forth just normalizes the idea of a real man waltzing into women’s spaces whenever he feels like it. Transmen have showed us they don’t give a shit when it comes to compromising the safety of fellow females.

So I really don’t feel bad at all. Regardless of the fact that this was a male-presenting female, they were trying to prevent what they determined was a man going into a women’s restroom on a campground that’s much more secluded than your average public restroom.

Congrats. You must have felt like a real man, sweetie. 🎉🍾

She never switched to being a dude though.

Obviously....? By ‘switch’ I mean changing which single sex facilities they use based on what’s more convenient for them personally at the time.

But that's not the issue here. She went into the women's bathroom appearing like a male and that's when the problem started; her accused attackers did not know what bathroom she was using before.

[–] LabrysGC 4 points Edited

As a woman who doesn’t look very feminine and does sometimes get wierd looks in the bathroom these kind of stories do scare me. Especially if I am traveling down south and need to use a public restroom I always feel very nervous that someone is going to think I’m in the wrong place and shoot me. In general I try to avoid public restrooms as much as possible because of this but the older I get the harder that is.

I feel both mad that there are men who are just waiting for an excuse to gay bash someone like me and the trans people who provide an excuse.

Same. It's why when PP said men should bring guns to the bathroom and shoot anyone they suspect of being a TIP completely put me off her.

Preble County Michael Simpson says the deputies weren’t initially aware of the assault, that a large crowd had gathered, that Ruiz was highly intoxicated and that he was becoming belligerent.


I have to say that belligerence would probably not be my reaction to three men beating me up, no matter how drunk I was. Some reluctant admiration here, but also like others have said, I think we are missing large chunks of this story.

Anyone can see that this is a woman.

I'm disgusted by the self-proclaimed "feminists" on here who are simping for male violence. Oh, those strong brave male heroes, beating up a small woman whilst never doing anything against ACTUAL men in our spaces! wipes a tear from my eye

At first glance she “passes” in my opinion, but on some unconscious level my brain must register her as female because I don’t find her at all threatening. It’s not just because she’s small - short, skinny men raise the exact same alarm bells as larger men do in potentially vulnerable situations. But yeah, thinking about it, she doesn’t look anything like an actual skinny man.

You’re probably right that they knew they were beating up a woman. Men are so fucking solid (like refrigerators made out of concrete..). How could they not feel the difference between their strength and hers as they were beating her up? I’ve seen a lot of women here say they didn’t realize how big that difference is before play wrestling with their boyfriend and him effortlessly restraining her. But men know.

Even if she was a man, three men beating and bashing one person is an extreme overreaction.

This was at the end of the story:

"See a spelling or grammar error in our story? Please include the title when you click here to report it."

Um, what?

Nobody should be beat up for simply entering a sex-segregated communal restroom, assuming that is what happened.

But why did this male-identifying female even ask which restroom she should use? She appeared male. Why didn't she simply access the male restroom?

TIFs confound me. They self-exclude from womanhood...make attempts to appear male, but then continue to access female sex-segregated spaces, services, and sports when the need arises, thereby helping to ruin the sex-segregated nature of these phenomona.

because she knows what she is and feels unsafe so she wants the best of both worlds, as highlighted by the fact it was men who beat her up for being in the womens bathroom, not other women.

I mean, women are the superior beings in every way.

Nobody wants to be in a group of strange men. Or even familiar men on the long term if you're doing a desert island experience.

Chinese men in rural areas are desperate to get a woman to be around. Its not just the hole they want. Plenty of countries in the middle east find boys more sexually fulfilling.

If women all took off to some uninhibited continent somehow, they'd last about a week before they'd sell everything to try to get to us.

They know it deep down too. That's why they call us coddled. We make it look so easy.

Nobody should be beat up for simply entering a sex-segregated communal restroom, assuming that is what happened.

Not even a known sex offender?

TIFs confound me. They self-exclude from womanhood...make attempts to appear male, but then continue to access female sex-segregated spaces, services, and sports when the need arises, thereby helping to ruin the sex-segregated nature of these phenomona.

I've heard some case of a TIFs actually killing someone for not accepting her as a man. But when it came time for jail, she choose women's jail for some reason despite how invalidating and dysphoric that would make her.

Ugh... And that awful story about a "brave transman" who had to bravely put on her mother's dress and paint her nails to be allowed to leave Ukraine. Not the women volunteering in the army, nope, it's dealing with "dysphoria" that's brave smh...

"Not even a known sex offender"? NO. For one, doubt very much that those doing the beating up would even know that he WAS a sex offender. And, two, I did write "for simply entering a sex-segregared communal restroom." And, three, I'm not in favor of mob rule...prefer the Rule of Law, no matter how flawed it might be. Also, there is the option of simply detaining a sex offender who has entered a sex-segregated space: I don’t trust a mob of violent men (they're almost always men, right) to wail upon another man with restraint and good judgement...just don't.

[–] butchplease 10 points Edited

As a man you don't get to judge women who keep themselves safe from rape and male violence.

Fair. But I will judge a trans who murders people for "misgendering", but accepts that "misgendering" when faced with real danger. Or someone who claims she is brave just for putting on a dress and painting her nails, while there are actually brave women like my sisters who had to escape the country not just by themselves, but with their kids who they had to protect and take care of the whole way. Real bravery is to get a 3 year old child safe through a panicking people, through a packed train and bus, not "dealing with dysphoria".

Indeed, she should be celebrating her baptism-by-fire entry into the male culture of aggression. These TIFs are dangerously naive.

Exactly. Men have been fighting each other over turf since time immemorial. If women want to be men then welcome to the fight club. Furthermore its this unconstrained male aggressiveness that makes it imperative that women have single-sex spaces.

[–] OneStarWolf 23 points Edited

This story is bizarre. Why would she bother even asking the camp owner which bathroom to use? As a trans man, I'm sure she's normally used tons of men's rooms without asking and without being noticed? Also, it said she was drunk and the police arrested her for disorderly conduct and obstruction. Feels like we're missing something.

Exactly. If I were in the ladies room and encountered this person, I would have thought that Noah was a young man due to the voice and Noah's appearance. Noah should have used the men's room regardless of what some camp owner supposedly said. Or just do the manly thing and piss on a tree.

Yeah, I have a hard time believing this story.

Totally. Plus she was the one arrested and was apparently very drunk and belligerent and nobody told the sheriff’s she was assaulted until after the arrest. Nobody should be beaten up for using a bathroom, but I suspect the other parties will have a very different story to tell.

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