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[–] NotCis 93 points (+93|-0)

"Plain English has power. JK Rowling gets that."

So, so true. This is why we MUST fight to say "women" and "girls" and "male violence" and all the other plain English words that resonate with women everywhere (the same goes for every other language as well - speak plainly and people will hear you).

[–] tacocat 22 points (+22|-0)

Word salad hides meaning, as well as lack of meaning. I think this is what's been bothering me about "inclusive language." It all just ends up sounding like "blah blah blah," so no one really understands what's happening or what TRA intentions are. I've read so many screeds that seem to say nothing because they are just too verbose. It just sounds like someone trying to sound smart, but they just come across angry and smug.

[–] RisingUp 6 points (+6|-0)

YES. I particularly loathe when they disguise pedophilia advocacy under a layer of bland syllable sauce.

[–] custamontira 4 points (+4|-0)

This reminds me of George Orwell's essay, Politics and the English Language, where he explores how English is used in some types of writing, sometimes from an aesthetical point of view, but sometimes to willfully hide the meaning behind the words. It is an interesting read.

[–] Griffxx 20 points (+20|-0)

Plain English I can do. I hated that she had to use the word "Natal"though. But I guess saying "Women and girls" would have been seen as to othering.

[–] Duchess 28 points (+28|-0)

Natal is better than cis. I’d rather refer to myself as a natal woman than a cis woman. Because natal has nothing to do with gender

[–] izzy314 71 points (+71|-0)

" If you want to bombard me with post-structuralist analysis of how I'm reinforcing discourses and hierarchies of oppression, or whatever it might be, honestly, it's not worth your time. I just love great writing."

This made me lol.

[–] NotCis 28 points (+29|-1)

When it comes to Rowling, it's probably reinforcing the cisheteropatriarchy specifically. Have you ever heard an uglier Frankenword than that...

[–] questioningtw 9 points (+9|-0)

There was a hilarious Onion video making fun of just that on one of the Circles here.

[–] AmyHousewine 56 points (+56|-0)

I'm starting to think there is a shift in the climate.

[–] NotCis 32 points (+32|-0)

I have been thinking this too. It feels like we're finally starting to see more pushback and less blind acceptance of every new order from the wokest activists. The Keira Bell ruling won't be ignored for much longer, I think - journalists are going to start feeling like it's safer to speak out (while, of course, continuing to reiterate their support for trans people) and they'll get hungry for those Pulitzers and other accolades.

[–] AnneShirley 26 points (+26|-0) Edited

honestly, i think british feminists have done a lot over the last year to lead the push and they deserve our kudos. i've had a few conversations with co-workers over the year about this; it started with a lot of them having no idea what was happening but more recently there's been more awareness and i think it's because of the reaction to JKR. TRAs overplayed their hand throughout the year. the more they screamed "no argument" the more regular people started to look at the other side and realize we have sound arguments.

[–] femuhnist 9 points (+9|-0)

I'm in constant admiration of British feminists. Thanks, sisters.

[–] BoxingBelle 13 points (+13|-0) Edited

It's slow but starting.

After Kiera Bell then the ruling on Free Speech, more people are testing the waters of pushing back.

[–] [Deleted] 7 points (+7|-0)

What was the ruling for free speech? Was that the one with the mother who went to jail over a tweet?

Kate Scottow. She was fined, not sent to jail - and told by the judge that she ought to be teaching her children to be kind https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/02/17/kate-scottow-and-the-freedom-to-be-unkind/

Her appeal was successful, thank goodness 😅

[–] BoxingBelle 1 points (+1|-0)

It was the one where the judge stated that Free Speech includes the right to offend. It was the one with the mother who was arrested for the tweet. I think her name was Kate Scottow, she won her appeal.

[–] Veesdottir 54 points (+54|-0)

It was a thoughtful piece that took a lot of guts to write and make public. The masses have turned on many public figures who, years later, were vindicated.

[–] BlackMoonLilith 44 points (+44|-0)

And despite what the TIM on my facebook says, she was INCREDIBLY respectful throughout the whole essay. Which is hard to do when you get rape/death threats from these people on the daily like Rowling does.

[–] questioningtw 16 points (+16|-0)

I found it interesting that she said that she was friends with a transwoman and she said she thought of her as a woman even though she was trans. What TRAs got so mad about is that is how most people think.

[–] Binah17 32 points (+32|-0)

I doubt any TRA'S or trans people actually read the essay. The most exposure they got of it was probably edited and biased interpretations from "allies". As soon as became clear that JK didn't believe trans people were the literal sex they claim to be, they responded with the usual hysteria, narcissism, lies and violence.

I'm glad most people, like this critic, saw right through the smear campaign (and attempts at emotional manipulation).

[–] Marmorsymphata 18 points (+18|-0)

Yeah, I came back to facebook after like a 10 year absence and someone I thought was a normal reasonable TIF is crying about how JKR literally wants her dead. Coming to that conclusion after reading her lines about loving her trans friend and saying transition is often fine is not possible. It's sad that fearmongering has such tight control on our society.

[–] Griffxx 11 points (+11|-0)

Nope you're wrong. At least 10+ articles on Medium, maybe 7+ on Reddit ( Reddit has a whole subreddit dedicated to her Hate) and over 250 on YouTube. One Trans YouTuber had 25 videoes on the subject. Don't know about Tumblr cause I'm on all the block list. I'm sure Instagram blew up to.

Then there were post post post when Eddie Redmayne wrote his own article about the abuse JK Rowling was suffering. And the main gripe: She's been made out to be a victim. The public was giving her sympathy!

Later there would be a counter essay in which had 150 signatures from people like Margaret Atwood, Neil Gaiman and Stephen King etc.

So yes they read the essay.

[–] goldenheartcc 11 points (+11|-0)

huh on Tumblr plus irl only like... two people had ACTUALLY read it in full. many said they had to stop because it was wayyyyy toooooo triggering

[–] bellatrixbells 6 points (+6|-0)

Stephen King used to be my favourite author, now he just grinds my gears into the ground.

He's one of those dudes who call themselves feminists and are to an extent but are constantly pushing their view of women and how feminism should be managed. Dude, you can't be an ally if you want to set the terms.

[–] [Deleted] 3 points (+3|-0)

IT was so weird I wondered what kind of fucker would come up with that. Turns out someone with no backbone.

[–] Calico 22 points (+22|-0)

I actually do think that her essay was remarkably well-crafted, for reasons aside from me agreeing with her.

I think it’s a struggle to communicate gender critical ideas in a way that doesn’t overwhelm the average person without any substantial exposure to radical feminism, but she nailed it in a way that really makes sense out of a topic with so much crazy bullshit and weird vernacular around it.

[–] thedarkhorse 20 points (+20|-0)

It was a brilliant piece of writing. I'm glad others think so.

[–] GelatinousRube 15 points (+15|-0)

I see they're having a go at him on Twitter, predictably.

[–] Hermione 23 points (+23|-0)

Have they threatened him with rape, called him the c-word or say he should die in a fire? I just wonder what their “having a go” is like for a man.

Does Twitter have analytics where responses to a certain tweet or hashtags can be categorized by user demographics and words including “rape” “fire” “bitch” “cunt” “die” “cut” “punch” “scum”, etc? Along with anime avatars?

That could lead to some great info graphics

[–] au_dela 12 points (+12|-0)

I immediately went to Twitter, because I knew that the responses would be hilarious and infuriating.

This one seems to be the best so far. It’s so funny to me when people insist that they alone know the views of this or that historical person, certain that she would approve, or disapprove, or be rolling in her grave at the very thought.

[–] lucrecia 15 points (+15|-0) Edited

Lol, I've wondered before where Russell would stand. On the one hand, he would prioritise facts over ideology, and would see through the bullshit, especially the capitalist foundation. He was anti-religion and one reason was that he felt that a belief in the supernatural led to otherwise-unjustifiable practices like witch-burnings. He also saw through smear campaigns and political manipulation, and cared about people over theories. Otoh his political essays generally have a blindspot for women's perspectives (I didn't notice this when I first read them at 17, but it stood out when I reread a couple more recently) and I think he would be inclined to believe in the 'prudes trying to control people' narrative if he didn't look deeper. He was someone prepared to change his mind based on evidence, even with things he was strongly in favour of, so I'm inclined to think he would start positively disposed to it, then go 'wait, what the fuck?' like the rest of us, probably not as early as the first feminists started ringing alarms, but still relatively early. I can't see him supporting deplatforming, so I think that would have got his attention if he hadn't been looking before that. I feel like it's disrespectful to him to think he would entertain any of it, but I've been disappointed in various people over this, so I'm not going to make assumptions about his views just because I like him a lot. :P (but otoh lol he was way too smart for this rubbish just saying)

[–] au_dela 5 points (+5|-0)

He sounds like a really interesting person! You’ve clearly read a lot of his work, so where would you suggest someone who has never read him before start?

[–] bellatrixbells 5 points (+5|-0)

Glad these two men are policing feminism and telling it like it is to the other men who dare acknowledge a feminist.

[–] Veesdottir 11 points (+11|-0) Edited

Oh dear...Does it mean anything though? They have a go at everyone. Plus, if it's a male, they won't go very hard in sad cat girl mode. They're going to word salad him and then find some woman to blame for his actions. Damn Terf Industrial Complex strikes again!

[–] lucrecia 14 points (+14|-0)

I'm happy to see this; I was fucking blown away by the craft of that essay, and in some ways I'm more pissed off by TRAs' characterisation of it as 'rambling' or 'dithering' than all their lies about the arguments within. I'm happy this piece linked to Suzanne Moore's essay, too!

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