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I've been seeing this from a few male detransitioners, lately. A reminder that we rad fems are not doing enough on their behalf. That we're forgetting or ignoring boys and men harmed by the gender cult.

Let me explain how that's not really true, and it's more that we can't do anything about it, beyond what we're already doing.

First of all, feminism has always been about women. It's perfectly reasonable for an organization for the rights of gay men to focus on gay men, and no one else. It's perfectly reasonable for an Indigenous rights organization to focus on Indigenous people, and no one else. Hell, it's perfectly reasonable for an animal welfare organization to focus on animals, and not people at all.

Only feminists are asked to share the fruits of their labor with everyone else, even their oppressors!

We have a lot on our plate right now. Radical feminism is not only about transgenderism. We've lost the right to abortion in the US. Women and girls the world over face violence, murder, and human trafficking. We have to deal with society, religion, and government that all work together to exploit us. We're fighting all of this PLUS a social contagion that was started by men. So as far as "we're not doing enough"- we're stretched to the limit. Believe me, we would LOVE to have resources to spare. We just don't. Quite frankly, the majority of our allyship with others is a one-way street. When the beneficiaries of our allyship are men, we don't see nearly as much hard work on our behalf. We're on our own for the most part.

Now- are we doing enough for males who get sucked into the gender cult? Well, honestly, who sounded all the alarms in the first place? Who pointed out that HSTS was a product of homophobia? Who made it clear that there is no changing sex, and that these hormones and surgeries were destructive?

And who didn't want to hear it?

Radical feminists have not just faced vitriol for telling the truth. They've faced physical violence, getting fired from their jobs, getting banned from social media, and even being arrested by the police. Posie Parker correctly stated that Susie Green had abused her son by getting him castrated in Thailand at 16, and the police hauled her in for questioning.

By contrast, Matt Walsh has made a fortune with his plagiarized movie, and conservative writers now have clickbait gold. Jordan Peterson got a book deal for rejecting they/them pronouns. They've all enjoyed a slam dunk subject that makes them look good, unlike the emotionally draining and unlikable issues of abortion or their traditional homophobia. Now they don't even have to talk about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, let alone try to defend them. Thank god for transgenderism! An easy topic where conservative thinkers don't have to explain themselves! What a refreshing change!

That said, conservatives will still malign gays and lesbians as anti-Western civilization. They will do nothing to force compensation to victims of botched surgery, because Republicans wrote the very legislation that prevent successful lawsuits in the first place. They focus on mocking trans people as "loony liberals." Fat, blue haired, unlikable youngsters melting down in public, looking stupid and foolish. They enjoy laughing at gendermeisters, and lumping them in with gays and lesbians. They are less interested in Big Pharma profits and predatory surgeons. Gov. Abbott and Asa Hutchinson are two cases in point about how they say they want to reign in shit like puberty blockers, but they don't when given the opportunity.

Conservatives are even less interested in hearing about how their religious beliefs and homophobia contributed to the problem, especially for HSTS. Transgenderism is not revolutionary- it's actually very regressive. Even nonbinary silliness is traditional: true men and women meet traditional gender roles, and any deviation thereof means something is amiss. Conservatives will accept NO accountability for that, though. Ever.

If anybody in this counter-movement is not pulling their weight, it would be the conservatives.

Another group I would say is not doing all that much would be gay men. Some are great keyboard warriors. Don't get me wrong; I actually think that's very important. We learn a lot online, and voicing your insights is actually excellent help. But how many gay men have been pushing back compared to lesbians and radical feminists? Fewer. Even though as gay men, they ought to be more outraged on behalf of HSTS men. Instead, sensible gay men are surrounded by heartless enablers. Shouldn't HSTS detranistioners be confronting the gay men who enabled them to gain virtue signal points? And thanking the gay men who took a lot of abuse for telling the truth?

I don't see very much confrontation from detransitioners towards conservatives or the portions of the LGBTQ community that enabled them.

Shit, I don't even see much confrontation towards the field of psychiatry! The very field that claims a man can have the "mind" of a woman. The one discipline that makes everything else possible. You'd think if anybody deserved flack for dropping the ball, it would be psychiatry/psychology.

All of this has been covered by radical feminists since the 1970's. Most people found out the truth from "terfs." That's why TRAs dogged feminists so much- they didn't need to go after conservatives. Conservatives weren't the ones putting the info out there. Jennifer Bilek did all the muckraking in the 11th Hour Blog. Janice Raymond hit the nail on the head with The Transsexual Empire. Posie Parker pointed how Susie Green was actually a child abuser. Exulansic put a lot of time into showing how Jazz Jennings is an abuse victim, too. The initial conservative response was "ew, look at the queers lately!" and that was it. Point, laugh, and scorn. Don't ask what the fuck Abbvie is up to.

I'm not quite sure what more feminists can do, or how much more they can sacrifice. The majority of information out there was put together by feminists. We spoke to anybody willing to speak to us, including Tucker Carlson, The Spectator, The Heritage Foundation, and more. We built our own channels and blogs.

It wasn't that we didn't do enough to save you from yourselves. It's that you truly believed everything we said was evil, and that your enablers had your best interests at heart.

In terms of what you could possibly get out of feminists, I think you've maxed out.

It's not that I don't care that Big Pharma profits from the suffering of effeminate boys or gay men. I absolutely do. I just don't agree that rad fems haven't done enough. I don't know that they could possibly do more.

Part of why no one could stop you, when you were in this cult, was the belief that women A) owe you and B) are always letting you down and C) however we're doing it, we're doing it wrong.

Transgenderism is not a product of misandry. It's not a product of feminist selfishness.

It IS a product of capitalist medicine. It IS a product of traditional values about gender roles. It IS a product of homophobia. It IS a product of post-modernism, where men's sexuality is centered as sacred. Men are the source, either the conservative side, or the progressive one.

If we're not willing to admit that, I don't see transgenderism fading away. I don't see justice for detransitioners. I don't see protection for young gay people. Or even just troubled young people.

I've been seeing this from a few male detransitioners, lately. A reminder that we rad fems are not doing enough on their behalf. That we're forgetting or ignoring boys and men harmed by the gender cult. Let me explain how that's not really true, and it's more that we can't do anything about it, beyond what we're already doing. First of all, feminism has always been about women. It's perfectly reasonable for an organization for the rights of gay men to focus on gay men, and no one else. It's perfectly reasonable for an Indigenous rights organization to focus on Indigenous people, and no one else. Hell, it's perfectly reasonable for an animal welfare organization to focus on animals, and not people at all. Only feminists are asked to share the fruits of their labor with everyone else, even their oppressors! We have a lot on our plate right now. Radical feminism is not only about transgenderism. We've lost the right to abortion in the US. Women and girls the world over face violence, murder, and human trafficking. We have to deal with society, religion, and government that all work together to exploit us. We're fighting all of this PLUS a social contagion that was started by men. So as far as "we're not doing enough"- we're stretched to the limit. Believe me, we would LOVE to have resources to spare. We just don't. Quite frankly, the majority of our allyship with others is a one-way street. When the beneficiaries of our allyship are men, we don't see nearly as much hard work on our behalf. We're on our own for the most part. Now- are we doing enough for males who get sucked into the gender cult? Well, honestly, who sounded all the alarms in the first place? Who pointed out that HSTS was a product of homophobia? Who made it clear that there is no changing sex, and that these hormones and surgeries were destructive? And who didn't want to hear it? Radical feminists have not just faced vitriol for telling the truth. They've faced physical violence, getting fired from their jobs, getting banned from social media, and even being arrested by the police. Posie Parker correctly stated that Susie Green had abused her son by getting him castrated in Thailand at 16, and the police hauled her in for questioning. By contrast, Matt Walsh has made a fortune with his plagiarized movie, and conservative writers now have clickbait gold. Jordan Peterson got a book deal for rejecting they/them pronouns. They've all enjoyed a slam dunk subject that makes them look good, unlike the emotionally draining and unlikable issues of abortion or their traditional homophobia. Now they don't even have to talk about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, let alone try to defend them. Thank god for transgenderism! An easy topic where conservative thinkers don't have to explain themselves! What a refreshing change! That said, conservatives will still malign gays and lesbians as anti-Western civilization. They will do nothing to force compensation to victims of botched surgery, because Republicans wrote the very legislation that prevent successful lawsuits in the first place. They focus on mocking trans people as "loony liberals." Fat, blue haired, unlikable youngsters melting down in public, looking stupid and foolish. They enjoy laughing at gendermeisters, and lumping them in with gays and lesbians. They are less interested in Big Pharma profits and predatory surgeons. Gov. Abbott and Asa Hutchinson are two cases in point about how they say they want to reign in shit like puberty blockers, but they don't when given the opportunity. Conservatives are even less interested in hearing about how their religious beliefs and homophobia contributed to the problem, especially for HSTS. Transgenderism is not revolutionary- it's actually very regressive. Even nonbinary silliness is traditional: true men and women meet traditional gender roles, and any deviation thereof means something is amiss. Conservatives will accept NO accountability for that, though. Ever. If anybody in this counter-movement is not pulling their weight, it would be the conservatives. Another group I would say is not doing all that much would be gay men. Some are great keyboard warriors. Don't get me wrong; I actually think that's very important. We learn a lot online, and voicing your insights is actually excellent help. But how many gay men have been pushing back compared to lesbians and radical feminists? Fewer. Even though as gay men, they ought to be more outraged on behalf of HSTS men. Instead, sensible gay men are surrounded by heartless enablers. Shouldn't HSTS detranistioners be confronting the gay men who enabled them to gain virtue signal points? And thanking the gay men who took a lot of abuse for telling the truth? I don't see very much confrontation from detransitioners towards conservatives or the portions of the LGBTQ community that enabled them. Shit, I don't even see much confrontation towards the field of psychiatry! The very field that claims a man can have the "mind" of a woman. The one discipline that makes everything else possible. You'd think if anybody deserved flack for dropping the ball, it would be psychiatry/psychology. All of this has been covered by radical feminists since the 1970's. Most people found out the truth from "terfs." That's why TRAs dogged feminists so much- they didn't need to go after conservatives. Conservatives weren't the ones putting the info out there. Jennifer Bilek did all the muckraking in the 11th Hour Blog. Janice Raymond hit the nail on the head with *The Transsexual Empire.* Posie Parker pointed how Susie Green was actually a child abuser. Exulansic put a lot of time into showing how Jazz Jennings is an abuse victim, too. The initial conservative response was "ew, look at the queers lately!" and that was it. Point, laugh, and scorn. Don't ask what the fuck Abbvie is up to. I'm not quite sure what more feminists can do, or how much more they can sacrifice. The majority of information out there was put together by feminists. We spoke to anybody willing to speak to us, including Tucker Carlson, *The Spectator,* The Heritage Foundation, and more. We built our own channels and blogs. It wasn't that we didn't do enough to save you from yourselves. It's that you truly believed everything we said was evil, and that your enablers had your best interests at heart. In terms of what you could possibly get out of feminists, I think you've maxed out. It's not that I don't care that Big Pharma profits from the suffering of effeminate boys or gay men. I absolutely do. I just don't agree that rad fems haven't done enough. I don't know that they could possibly do more. Part of why no one could stop you, when you were in this cult, was the belief that women A) owe you and B) are always letting you down and C) however we're doing it, we're doing it wrong. Transgenderism is not a product of misandry. It's not a product of feminist selfishness. It IS a product of capitalist medicine. It IS a product of traditional values about gender roles. It IS a product of homophobia. It IS a product of post-modernism, where men's sexuality is centered as sacred. Men are the source, either the conservative side, or the progressive one. If we're not willing to admit that, I don't see transgenderism fading away. I don't see justice for detransitioners. I don't see protection for young gay people. Or even just troubled young people.

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They didn't listen to us when we told them transitioning was a bad idea. They sent us rape and death threats while they were tranz. And now we aren't doing everything for them as detransitioners.

Yeah, men can fuck off.

[–] BlackCirce 🔮🐖🐖🐖 103 points

All of them had a little cadre of handmaidens who encouraged them when they claimed to be women. Who soothed them, and yass-queened them, and used their pronouns, and celebrated them when they started taking hormones, and got “the surgery.” Who traded memes that degraded RFs and lesbians with them. Now that they’ve switched sides they expect a gc version of that. Who has time? Men have different reasons for pretending to be women than women have for pretending to be men.

Men who pretend to be women came into feminism and (some) feminists welcomed them. Of course you can be one of us, of course come in from the rain, we will help you and protect you and shelter you. Then it turned into yes we will give up everything for you. Then it was yes we will throw other women to the wolves for you.

We don’t do that here. That’s why there’s a “gender critical” movement to begin with.

This is a really good observation. These dudes are used to the handmaiden treatment where women exist to be their cheerleaders and emotional support animals. And they're confused and butthurt that GC women don't want to kiss their ass 24/7 simply for existing

But I think it's also important to be very clear that these guys didn't get their idea that women exist to be their cheerleaders and emotional support animals in response to some women giving them the handmaiden treatment as/after they "transitioned." They thought this beforehand.

Pretty much all males who "transition" - whether they are gay or straight, and whether they were transed by their parents as children like Jazz Jennings or they transed themselves as adults - are narrowly self-focused, utterly self-absorbed highly narcissistic sexist misogynists who since they were small boys have always believed that women exist solely to serve and support them personally - and to serve and support males generally. They grew up with this belief their whole lives from the get-go, before they publicly "transitioned" and were given so much fawning support by so many handmaidens.

Whilst the factors that cause boys and men to "transition" in the first place are varied, motivating factors they all seem to have in common are: 1) narcissistic self-absorption; 2) enormous amounts of male entitlement; 3) the me, me, me mentality of colonizing meglomaniacs that causes them to assume everything in the world belongs to them and everything is about them; and 4) inability to see girls and women as fully-developed humans with inner lives, sentience, interests, needs, "lived experience" and rights of our own that are entirely separate from and different to theirs. These guys seem utterly convinced in the core of their beings that girls and women are just shallow empty subhuman shells solely made up of superficial stereotypes who were put on earth to serve, support and please males.

Whenever colonizers invade and take over foreign lands, it's almost always the case that some of the people they're invading and trampling on won't fight back - and indeed, some will wave the invaders in, welcome them, give them gifts and show them kindness. Some of the invaded people will cheer for, cater to and collaborate with the oppressors who invade and colonize them: Quilsings, Vichy France, the Aztecs when the first conquistadors from Spain arrived on their shores. But the positive, welcoming reactions that colonizers get from some of the people they intrude on upon is not what causes colonizers to decide to become colonizers in the first place.

The sad part is they can still find a decent sized cohort of women to kiss their ass, just not as easily. You can simply say one of them is annoying and you'll get big time feminist names showing up to admonish you for it. It's ridiculous. I see transwidow accounts/orgs dealing with this frequently too, friction occurring because they refuse to capitulate to the same type of man they used to be abused by in their marriage.

[–] otterstrom 11 points Edited

Now that they’ve switched sides they expect a gc version of that.

Exactly. “Mwhere are the maids!?”

Women are not social justice mommies for everyone to use at their convenience

[–] pennygadget 70 points Edited

Only feminists are asked to share the fruits of their labor with everyone else, even their oppressors!

THIS! We feminists are expected to be everyone's activism nannies! And feminist movements have been failing because, sadly, the libfems are fully on board with being nannies for every issue under the sun (even the ones that directly harm females). And, when we stretch ourselves too thin, we get nothing done

Abortion advocacy is in the toilet because NARAL & PP have decided that simping for genderwoo and pushing hormones on kids is more important than protecting abortion access. And the Women's March crashed and burned because it decided to take on literally every trendy social justice issue EXCEPT female rights. Its so frustrating

[–] Researcher1536 31 points Edited

This feels like restorative justice in its current form. We always have to take the blame and forgive our abusers.

[–] MaterialReality Only sex is real 5 points

It is what restorative justice (RJ) is in practice more often than not. I think RJ can work only in certain settings and by certain people, frankly.

I owe male detransitioners absolutely nothing 😇

Honestly, I think women in general should get into the habit of knowing that they owe random men absolutely nothing. Would make a lot of this easier.

[–] MaterialReality Only sex is real 10 points

Yes, girls and women do need to understand and accept that they do not owe men, especially random men that harass(ed) them, part of their beings or lives, including their time. Of course, you may need to interact with unamiable men for work or school or the like but even then, we are allowed to have boundaries.

Its the same energy as the MRAs who whine that we feminists don't do enough for men who are raped, victims of DV, homeless, etc. They sit on their asses doing NOTHING while criticizing us for not producing shelters/services for every needy man (as if we have the resources to make that happen)

I feel bad for everyone who got sucked in to the gender cult only to realize they were wrong after their bodies were wrecked. But they don't have a right to lash out at GC women when we've been ringing the alarm this whole time. Their anger should be directed at TRAs and their quack doctors

[–] MaterialReality Only sex is real 13 points Edited

They think the censoring of women critical of the ideology was purposeful silence, that these women purposefully allowed them to buy into the ideology to whatever extent that may be. For some, it probably also is that they want to blame someone other than themselves (as @OwnLyingEyes stated) or the ideologues that encouraged them to change x or y in order to be their true selves.

I also haven't heard a male detransitioner apologize to us for the offensiveness of womanface or for violating our spaces (or whatever else they did). We seem to be the doormat, yet again.

Women have the most to lose from this movement and face the greatest risk of being harmed after speaking up, and yet we're expected to do the most work. I am once again begging men to understand that any random woman is not their fucking mother.

I'm not begging. I'm just putting them down on the floor and letting them roll around and pitch a fit. We did all we could already.

I mean that quite literally. What do these detransitioners think we should be doing that we haven't already done? Specifically.

Probably go back in time to teach our younger self to stroke their ego (and dick) so much that they wouldn' t be lured into the trans cult.

Think they're looking for a scapegoat. One that isn't themselves and one that isn't powerful enough to enact real consequences for being blamed (rightly or wrongly).

I think a thing to remember is that transitioning in the first place is often at least in part the result of having poor coping mechanisms, looking for excuses rather than facing hard truths. Many of these same detransitioners made themselves unhelpable while they were actively "transitioning." When asking "why didn't you stop me?" the answer is "you wouldn't let us, and we didn't have the power to override that." But taking accountability for that piece of it rather than shifting the blame to those they feel should have stepped in might not be something some of them are capable of.

I saw a Twitter thread about this exact topic yesterday. Formerly trans-identified or not, my feminism is not for males.

It wasn't that we didn't do enough to save you from yourselves. It's that you truly believed everything we said was evil, and that your enablers had your best interests at heart.

In terms of what you could possibly get out of feminists, I think you've maxed out.

Great post and I agree. We've done all the work. We tried to talk them out of it on the front end and only got abuse and now they blame us? I have seen this from both male and female (Helena) detransitioners. I'm not about it. They need to wake the fuck up and "educate themselves." My patience and empathy are tapped out.

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