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Long before the TIM apocalypse, there was the "old-fashioned" variety of crossdressing. But it's not like that's any more acceptable than what we've currently been seeing. And yes, this includes drag queens.

Even if it was being "kept in private"... we had men trying on their partners' clothes, yes, and it's a fetish. It's all rooted in degenerate behavior, and it's all womanface, regardless of whether the man is actually denying physical facts or not. And quite understandably, the women got creeped out, because the men were forcing them to participate in their fetishes. No one believes that it's okay to beat your wife "as long as nobody else knows."

Likewise, both in the past and today, every time you're tempted to make an "exception to the rule" or something for "one of the nice TIMs" or convenience, or even fear of losing employment etc., consider all the victimized women, and children, who have to pay the price. Is that fair?

Call me bigoted or intolerant. But while it almost never works like that the other way around, whenever men put on women's clothing, it's pretty much guaranteed to be for the cheap sexual thrills.

Long before the TIM apocalypse, there was the "old-fashioned" variety of crossdressing. But it's not like that's any more acceptable than what we've currently been seeing. And yes, this includes drag queens. Even if it was being "kept in private"... we had men trying on their partners' clothes, yes, and it's a fetish. It's all rooted in degenerate behavior, and it's all womanface, regardless of whether the man is actually denying physical facts or not. And quite understandably, the women got creeped out, because the men were forcing them to participate in their fetishes. No one believes that it's okay to beat your wife "as long as nobody else knows." Likewise, both in the past and today, every time you're tempted to make an "exception to the rule" or something for "one of the nice TIMs" or convenience, or even fear of losing employment etc., consider all the victimized women, and children, who have to pay the price. Is that fair? Call me bigoted or intolerant. But while it almost never works like that the other way around, whenever men put on women's clothing, it's pretty much guaranteed to be for the cheap sexual thrills.

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Clothing needs to be de-sexed imho, if you think make-up and skirts are for women you are pandering to the patriarchy, I don't care what anyone wears what gets me is when they try to claim what they wear defines what they are (i.e thinking they are women or girls because they dress in the stereotypical uniform of women and girls).

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The problem is that it isn't, though. We all feel that way personally here, but when men dress in what society considers to be women's clothes, it is done for fetishistic reasons. When we dress girls in what society considers to be female clothes, we reinforce the oppression intended by society for women in designating those clothes for them.

I totally agree we need to de-sex clothing, but the way to do that is not to promote more use of the most gendered clothing we have. Instead I personally think we should promote wearing clothes and styles that are already considered to be more gender neutral.

It's kind of like a femen protest. They are trying to say that breasts should not be sexualized (I think?). But everyone but feminists do sexualize breasts. So their protests actually cause breasts to be more sexualized. You can't necessarily make people view things the way you view them, you have to consider how they are going to receive the message.

Wearing so called "women's" attire has a similar effect. It just reinforces the fact that such articles are "for women", really regardless of who wears them. I don't think a dress will be a neutral article of clothing until women stop wearing them, personally.

They are trying to say that breasts should not be sexualized

Isn't that what we want? To say that "your body is okay" so that teenage girls with self-image issues don't identify as TIFs and mutilate their healthy tissue?

Of course we want a world in which breasts are not sexualized. The way to achieve that is not for all women to run around topless though. At least not until they are already not sexualized. Talk about motivating girls to chop them off!!! See the problem?