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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So many claims are lacking this evidence. Bigfoot. Aliens. Ghosts. Essential oils.

But if ever there was a steaming, stinking, radioactive pile of evidence for something weird, it's AGP.

It's so strange to see men say this when their avatars and profiles are full of anime, selfies in fetishy clothes, and endless posts about how they get hard-ons when validated.

"YOU'RE SAYING I DON'T EXIST!!!"

No, my guy, I think YOU are saying you don't exist. Autogynephilia is getting sexually excited at the mere thought of being a woman, which describes you perfectly. You write about how you get hard when you wear women's underwear, steal used menstrual products, take selfies in tiny skirts, and fantasize about sleepovers with teenage girls. All fucking day. This is stuff YOU are describing to ME. If AGP doesn't exist, then we wouldn't have to watch you display these behaviors.

When you say AGP doesn't exist, you look like the little kid who claims he didn't eat the jelly donut when he has jam all over his face.

Only that little kid is adorable and you aren't.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. So many claims are lacking this evidence. Bigfoot. Aliens. Ghosts. Essential oils. But if ever there was a steaming, stinking, radioactive pile of evidence for something weird, it's AGP. It's so strange to see men say this when their avatars and profiles are full of anime, selfies in fetishy clothes, and endless posts about how they get hard-ons when validated. "YOU'RE SAYING I DON'T EXIST!!!" No, my guy, I think YOU are saying you don't exist. Autogynephilia is getting sexually excited at the mere thought of being a woman, which describes you perfectly. You write about how you get hard when you wear women's underwear, steal used menstrual products, take selfies in tiny skirts, and fantasize about sleepovers with teenage girls. All fucking day. This is stuff YOU are describing to ME. If AGP doesn't exist, then we wouldn't have to watch you display these behaviors. When you say AGP doesn't exist, you look like the little kid who claims he didn't eat the jelly donut when he has jam all over his face. Only that little kid is adorable and you aren't.

37 comments

[–] HessaHein 45 points (+45|-0)

They lie about AGP, because once you see it, you can't unsee the phenomenon.

[–] Carthimundia 36 points (+37|-1)

Exactly. Plus, AGP as an explanation for what is going on loses them support. Women are super sympathetic to men with lady brains, or with a terrible condition needing life saving treatment, but they are far less willing to open their spaces up to men with a fetish. This is why AGP has to be denied at all costs.

[–] ensakitaget 5 points (+5|-0)

You also can’t unsee how extremely pervasive it is through their entire “rights” movement. It’s a sexual domination movement.

[–] ouvalemonde 36 points (+36|-0) Edited

"AGP has been debunked!"

"Well, then how are you standing here right in front of me?"

[–] hmimperialtortie 27 points (+27|-0)

I wish they didn’t exist. They aren’t “trans” because that isn’t real. Unfortunately male perversions are.

[–] Griffxx 19 points (+19|-0)

Spot on. But surely other TIMs are aware that a large % of the ones who were seen as straight men exhibit AGP.

It's always this TRA talking point:

Many (***)women objectify and sexualized themselves when they put on underwear or wear a beautiful sexy dress."

No we don't. We really don't do these things.

[–] XX_Power 14 points (+14|-0)

But that's the problem: they're men, only interact with other men and only know women from porn. In every trans sub there's tons of teenage TIMs asking every variation of "i get hard when I put in skirts, i steal my mother's clothes and masturbate furiously into them, i don't want to be a woman when Ive just coomed, i can only jack off if I imagine myself as a girl bring brutalized"

And then other men, usually older adult TIMs who have been into this fetish for years, tell them "yes normal women do all these things, you're normal :)". Never an actual conversation with an actual woman. My personal experience with TIMs is that they only interact with men, TIM or other, and have nothing but bitter jealousy and hatred for real women.

[–] Griffxx 9 points (+9|-0)

I want to do back to back Reddit post. They both cover the reasons why they are calling themselves Female.

Non Trans people don't think about the fact that they men or women. We just are. The only time we think of being Female is certain biological experiences until menopause, just at the base level. Next level is inappropriate comments from men. If we didn't have to deal with this, it would be cool being female.

[–] Reedit74 16 points (+16|-0)

Would an autogynophile claim that he's asexual? The creepiest TiM I know 'identifies as an ace'.

[–] bornwithovaries 24 points (+24|-0)

Everyone needs to stop claiming they're asexual. The word already has a definition and it has nothing to do with how often one wishes to get laid.

If they want to say they're "nonsexual," that would make more sense.

But as for this guy, who knows. Can a guy be creepy without being sexually creepy? I think he can. So I think we need more info to go on here. What kind of creepy is this creep?

[–] hmimperialtortie 14 points (+15|-1)

I agree. Low libido isn’t asexual. Never having seen anyone who you find sexually attractive isn’t asexual.

[–] socialjayjay 9 points (+9|-0)

As far as I understand it, asexual is when one doesnt wish to have sex at all. Have they changed it to mean something else??

[–] Nausicaa 12 points (+12|-0)

No, they hijacked the term in the first place.

Asexual refers to species that are able to reproduce without sex.

[–] lucrecia 7 points (+8|-1)

It's ostensibly used to apply to people who don't experience attraction/don't have a sexual orientation, since there's no good term for that, so it doesn't necessarily mean a complete aversion to sexual activity, though there's overlap. People online, however, use it to mean 'anything at all', much like every other label at the moment.

[–] Srfthrowaway 4 points (+4|-0)

Agree. Nonsexual would be more accurate. Asexual is a way bacteria reproduce. Reproduction without sexual activity. Nothing to do with human sexual feelings ffs.

[–] Reedit74 0 points (+0|-0)

He stalked me on an online group and then tried to talk me to meeting him in person.

[–] boudica 19 points (+19|-0)

Some of them lose their sexual drive with too many hormone pills or especially if they've gotten their bits n bobs taken off.

Could also be a cope for realizing they will never again attract another human - you know, kinda like "You can't fire me, I quit!" or "How dare you turn me down for a date - you're too ugly to date anyway!"

[–] hmimperialtortie 16 points (+16|-0)

This! Talk about incel self-defence. They make themselves into grotesques, they parade their fetishes, and then they find, gosh, nobody wants them.

I bet plenty of them use the term the same way they claim they wouldn’t expect lesbians they’re trying to coerce to touch their penises. In other words, yet another rapist’s lie.

[–] AmyHousewine 11 points (+11|-0) Edited

Yes, that's it. Women (straight or lesbian) have no interest in being with a TiM sexually: if you're into women, they're not women, and if you're into men, you are almost certainly into men who are sane enough to realize they are men. Men (straight or gay) have no interest in being with a TiM unless they have a peculiar fetish, in which case, hilariously, TiMs don't want them because they're "chasers" (and also that fetish is built around the fact that they're having sex with a man kitted out as a woman.)

And they apparently don't even want each other. How many two-TiM "transbian" couples have you seen? Even they find each other repulsive as potential partners.

So yes, adopt behaviours and mutilate your body such that nobody wants you except people with a fetish for your disability, then claim you didn't want any of them in the first place.

[–] Capturedthecastle 16 points (+17|-1)

Many AGP males are asexual; it’s quite common. Blanchard says:

In some others, the intensity of the autogynephilia–which is attraction to an imagined “inner woman”–is so great that there are no erotic feelings left for other people. This accounts for asexual identification. (Asexual autogynephilic males have plenty of sexual fantasies, but these fantasies tend not to involve other people.)

See Blanchard: Gender dysphoria is not one thing, 4thwavenow

It must be hard to be an asexual autogynephiliac. I think I read a post on /r/gendercriticalguys written by one, and I felt sympathetic.

But he wasn’t denying his paraphilia and he was not invading women’s spaces.

As soon as an AGP male does that, I lose all sympathy.

[–] Srfthrowaway 3 points (+4|-1)

But a human isn't asexual. A human might not be feeling or acting on sexual attraction but a human is not asexual.

[–] Carrots90 7 points (+7|-0)

May I ask,Do you get an ace vibe? Or does he definitely have a sexual vibe? What is creepy about him?

[–] Reedit74 0 points (+0|-0)

I replied upthread, but I'll repeat it since this is an old post...

He stalked me on an online group and tried to make me meet him in person. That's why he's creepy. He calls himself asexual.

[–] lucrecia 7 points (+7|-0) Edited

A lot of people online just lie about it because they see it as some edgy identity. Idk why. You can tell these men are lying because they spend their whole time talking about being attracted to people. It's supposed to mean you don't experience attraction/you don't have a sexual orientation, since there isn't a good word for that. It's not about behaviour and it's not about attitudes to relationships. And it has nothing to do with libido.

[–] tervery 4 points (+4|-0)

after blanchard's typology every TIM who isn't exclusively attracted to the same sex is an AGP including asexuals

[–] AmyHousewine 8 points (+8|-0)

I think MAGA beliefs are corrupt, harmful, and fundamentally based on lies. Does that mean I don't believe MAGgots don't exist? If only.

[–] sensusquaeram 6 points (+6|-0)

No, my guy, I think YOU are saying you don't exist. Autogynephilia is getting sexually excited at the mere thought of being a woman, which describes you perfectly.

Yup.

I know no women, myself included, who are aroused by wearing jeans and henleys, forgoing makeup, or not painting our nails. I've never known a woman who solicited validation for a flannel shirt or Doc Martens then waxed poetic online about the erotic results and sought ever escalating validation for ever more "manly cross-dressing," or expanded, say, into niche Victorian gentleman's brushes and bowls of shaving soap to shave their legs (if they bothered at all) because it's fucking not a thing. AGP, however, is a thing. Demonstrably and daily.

[–] Hermione 8 points (+8|-0)

Speak for yourself. The other day when everyone was asleep I put on a pair of my husband’s boxer briefs, a t-shirt, socks with holes in them, no bra or anything, and then sat in the recliner in front of the TV and scratched myself. Then I lifted a leg and farted.

I feel so connected to an inner deity now. I think I’ll be going by either the name “Apollo” so people see how important I am, or “Prometheus” so people acknowledge my intellect and ultimate sacrifice that all men give for humanity.

I’ll work my way up to bitching about some crumbs on the sofa from the child and not doing anything about them, and then call out for a glass of orange juice.

[–] shewolfoffrance 7 points (+7|-0)

You should try grudgingly babysitting your own kids, bragging about it later, and soaking up the approving attention. Bonus points if one of them gets hurt in a completely avoidable accident because you weren't paying attention.

[–] Hermione 4 points (+4|-0)

Can I demand that all meals, clothes and necessities be prepared beforehand so I don’t need to worry about it while babysitting? Then call my mom and have her come over and help me?!

Then I can get some tidying up done and feel superior to the other parent who never gets the house nice!