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Right now the top post under the Featured Content section is "Official statement about 'Keffals'." It begins with a message in large bold font saying

The Kiwi Farms is a discussion forum. It does not condone 'swatting' or any form of harassment. Keffals wants this thread deleted because he is a creepy weirdo. Our official statement is this entire post.

...which then leads to the whole sordid Keffals thread and all his dirty details that he's been trying to hide.

Message from Josh/Null on Telegram posted yesterday:

August 28th, 2022

A resourceful network engineer managed to tunnel our server so we could get a completely up-to-date copy of the database and attachments. Even in a worst case scenario, there will be no data loss.

f I don't hear good news from upstream by tomorrow, I will prepare to leave them behind. The mob on Twitter is promising a final solution to the Kiwi Farms on Monday at the same time. If that is not an empty threat, this might be coming to a head tomorrow night.

So it doesn't sound like the drama is completely over yet, but at least we know that Josh/Null has supportive people providing backup solutions.

Also, Kiwi homepage says that there may be additional outages in the future due to regular database updates and/or "seething" (in other words, the potential for lingering revenge attacks). But it sounds like, for the most part, the Kiwi has triumphed, just like his big brother the emu did once before. 🥝

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War

Right now the top post under the Featured Content section is "Official statement about 'Keffals'." It begins with a message in large bold font saying > The Kiwi Farms is a discussion forum. It does not condone 'swatting' or any form of harassment. Keffals wants this thread deleted because he is a creepy weirdo. Our official statement is this entire post. ...which then leads to the whole sordid Keffals thread and all his dirty details that he's been trying to hide. Message from Josh/Null on Telegram posted yesterday: > August 28th, 2022 > A resourceful network engineer managed to tunnel our server so we could get a completely up-to-date copy of the database and attachments. Even in a worst case scenario, there will be no data loss. > f I don't hear good news from upstream by tomorrow, I will prepare to leave them behind. The mob on Twitter is promising a final solution to the Kiwi Farms on Monday at the same time. If that is not an empty threat, this might be coming to a head tomorrow night. So it doesn't sound like the drama is *completely* over yet, but at least we know that Josh/Null has supportive people providing backup solutions. Also, Kiwi homepage says that there may be additional outages in the future due to regular database updates and/or "seething" (in other words, the potential for lingering revenge attacks). But it sounds like, for the most part, the Kiwi has triumphed, just like his big brother the emu did once before. 🥝 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War

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While browsing I found this hilarious screenshot

I’m no KF stan but does he not think it’s slightly sus that they’d tell him that information? I guess people are morons but still, he’s really milking this.

It also has shades of r/ThatHappened. On the thread they're saying he has a history of doxing himself to feed his narcissistic supply and fundraising grift. Must be cursing himself to know that he went to all this trouble getting into a fight with Josh and the farms for nothing, when he could have just applied to his government as a "youth influencer for the 2SLGBTQIARGBCMYKWD40++++ community" and got a sweet share of a hundred million Justinbucks.

It also has shades of r/ThatHappened. On the thread they're saying he has a history of doxing himself to feed his narcissistic supply and fundraising grift.

This scrote was able to raise $100k from being swatted. I'm sure the tweet in that screenshot will be followed up by a another tweet begging to donate to his GFM for "legal fees" to prosecute this supposed KF stalker.

Next he'll beg for money to get a magic wand because JK Rowling tried to kill him with an avada kadabra spell and he needs a more powerful wand to fight her with

[–] Jacknife 19 points Edited

He is not stupid but malicous, he has also faked a screenshot of post from KF containing death threats.

[–] crodish 🔪🍠 35 points Edited

Never thought I'd see the day we'd have a rave thread about KF lmao, but this is awesome news anyway. Fuck you keffals, you disgusting, misogynist, skinwalking incel groomer.

[–] Peppermint 19 points Edited

I'm glad its back up. And it makes me grin that they made their statement on Keffals front and center.

I notice that GC and TRA related hashtags are trending on twitter on a daily basis.. But I only peaked a couple of months ago. Was it always like this?.. Have people been arguing about this on twitter and other social media sites for the past couple of years? If I saw hashtags like this in the past but I could have easily ignored them because I wouldn't know what they were about. E. g. I could have easily ignored #Keffals, #Tavistock, #LGB with or without the T because I didn't have the slightest idea what they were about or why I would want to know. I am not even sure #transwomen or even #adulthumanfemale would have caught my interest to be honest. And so with that in mind, it might be why more people don't know. Separately I think there are way more tweets under these hashtags than Twitter acknowledges.

I am wondering this because I think the Keffals drama sounds like a major yet to be told news story. I'm pretty sure a journalist or two is taking notes right now.

Twitter does cater its trending tab to what you're into, so that could be a part of it - you've been engaging with more GC tweets, so it pushes more GC trends. My trends are full of anime characters because that's what I use my Twitter for.

I hate that so many sites work like that, because it fools people into thinking that what they see all the time is what everyone sees all the time, and it isn't. It gives each of us our own little reality bubble that doesn't match with others' reality bubbles, and then the fights begin.

Ok thanks for confirming. That would explain why some of the tweets are old or why the numbers don't seem to grow much day to day. What everyone thinks is trending really isn't.

I predict this will be a Netflix documentary.

Keffals did say vice were coming around to make a documentary or something

I'm not sure but it does seem like it's picked up steam a bit online... mainstream media of course won't touch it, which is why if there's ever a true Keffals story put together, it'll be from an independent source that doesn't just uncritically accept the TRA narrative.

As for Twitter and its algorithm, it remains to be seen what happens as regards the seemingly never-ending Musk saga; whether one hopes to see him complete the deal or not, the testimony/data from the company whistleblower is still worth paying attention to.

Keffals has set the stage for so much of this himself. He's traveling around the world on grift money, posts photos of himself to set the stage for claiming a re-doxing, then uses that to get more money from contributors and to keep people fired up against his targets. He is not behaving like someone who genuinely believes he's in danger. He is behaving like someone who wants others to believe he is genuinely in danger. Emotional people are so much easier to manipulate.

He's not making any attempt to hide and let this blow over so he can get back to his life, or to stop drawing attention to his so-called attackers. He's gallivanting, and his simps are paying for it while also giving him the attention and victim status he craves. This is all a power trip for him, like running "Catboy Ranch" was.

Where can I get more information about Keffals and this whole situation?

Thanks!

You beat me to it. Time to get real evidence based mad on the internet again.

I hadn't heard of KF before this (I've been told I live under a rock) but I'll definitely be keeping an eye on it now.

One of my favorite things about this is how the TRA mob has made KF more widely known.

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I would really prefer this hateful shitty website to actually go down, but I didn't want the gender cult to be the ones that won the day. Especially after KF started trying to identify with GC feminists.

[–] Lilith-Fair 19 points Edited

I read through your comments and you just don't get it, despite others having taken time to try to explain to you in depth. We want KF to enjoy the freedom of speech not to protect them, but to protect us. Free speech means free speech for everyone. It can't be any other way. It cannot be free speech only for some but not others, because we may very well be the others.

And even for incel and obnoxious content, it is better that such content are open and hidden, so that people who disagree can discuss why such content is bad. You can suppress speech but you can never truly suppress thoughts. You can't wipe the existence of people with bad thoughts off the face of the earth. So what good exactly does stopping them from speaking do? But as long as they're exposed, there is always a possibility of changing their minds and perspectives.

Open speech is what can lead to unexpected progress.. I just read Josh's big post on Keffels. It is unbelievable the KF front page now has paragraphs of Josh's unwavering support for women and call out against misogyny. Who could ever thought this would happen? It's like pigs are flying and hell froze over.

[–] Tabitha_Tuesday 46 points Edited

KF serves as a lightning rod for Ovarit. If the tech bro TRAs take down KF, they will take down Ovarit next. Freedom of speech, especially for women, is being threatened by the internet being censored. News articles block and delete comments, videos block and delete comments, media websites don't host radfem content, forums delete posts and ban users for being "transphobic," etc.

I personally want Kiwi Farms to stay up forever. It's like the biggest bastion of true freedom of speech online. I don't like how many people say "well, they're racist and nasty so they should be removed, but we should be kept up." It doesn't work that way. Someone else, likely the huge amount of TRAs in tech, will say that we are hateful and transphobic and need to be taken down, using the same logic. Our servers will stop hosting us, credit card companies will withdraw our ability to take donations/payments, the same as they did to KF. We are walking such a fragile line online. Amazon, famous for banning radfem books and content from their website, owns 70% of the internet in the form of Amazon Web Services (their server hosting branch). This is terrifying.

I've been a member of so many female spaces and Discords that had admins/mods froth at the mouth to ban certain views, until they banned women for being feminists in the end. I have such contempt for that type of thinking process. I am very proud of the person who owns KF for having the strength to put up with all the legal harassment and DDOS attacks and mistreatment from service providers deeming his site "transphobic," because I know I would have curled up in a ball of tears in the same position.

The "biggest bastion of free speech online" is a bunch of incels that literally have threads up about Ovarit and other female communities, where women are called sluts and femoids.

I can take it or leave it. The particular brand of hate KF peddles isn't indicative of free speech. It's just indicative of shitty moderation.

I think plenty of people here have accounts over there, if only for the transgender related threads.

Different threads attract different types. The tones can shift drastically from one to the next and to throw the entire user base under the bus ignores the diversity and discussions that other threads produce.

In one you can have some incels being big mad about feminism, in others you have entire dissertations about medical procedures, suspected psychology or alpaca reering.

[–] MenHaveItEasy Moid Respecter 15 points Edited

Ive seen their TERF thread. Its literally 5 losers seething about women to cope with the fact that men make up the bulk of sideshow weirdos.

But yeah, women should watch how personal they get on Ovarit because this site is viewable to everyone. And the applause the owner gets because he threw radfems a bone is cringe. Dude knows the only reason KF is worth saving (and why its targeted) is because of all the information on AGPs, medical malpractice, sex offenders and online groomers compiled by female users of the site. Hence the shoutout to communities like Ovarit. He even changed his statement from his worst fear of little boys being castrated by eunuchs, to boys and girls being mutilated by eunuchs.

I upvoted you because I agree, moids ruin everything, but KF is worth saving because its the only site where women can be brutally honest about the gender cult.

The moderation you talk about is indicative of censorship.

Agreed. Well I don’t care that much that they go down per se, this kind of shit will always exist on the internet. But I’m not thrilled about being force teamed with a bunch of racists and think is misguided to lean into this.

Don't think there's any force teaming going on between radfems on ovarit and racist incels on kiwifarms.

Good to hear!

From where I was sitting, the head incel, the one who wouldn’t take down live streaming of a terrorist mass shooting, was indicating a shared vision and a majority here were cheering it.

Look, I’m pretty far on the free speech side and I’ve even browsed KF before. But I think some women are too naive about the extent of horrific shit that exists on these pure free speech forums (Ovarit has WAY more moderation btw). I don’t think it’s strategically wise to conflate us and them.

There is a thread on lipstick alley about the discourse here. Is it really worth alienating the majority of non-white feminists to cheer on these edgelords? How about we just take note and make sure our opsec is prepared in case we are targeted (I’m sure admins are doing a great job and thank them for that).

we're not forced teamed but TRAs will continue to spread that lie regardless, just like they're spreading the lie that we're all conservatives and Nazis. we know we're not and they know we're not, so the sooner y'all can get over that kind of slander, the better.