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I'm watching a documentary about James Randi, otherwise known as The Amazing Randi. Randi was a magician who, upon retiring from doing magic, took up being a professional skeptic who argued against faith healers and Uri Geller and other people using magic and claiming that they had special powers instead of perpetrating hoaxes on people. It's quite interesting -- I remember so much of this stuff going down when I was a kid and young adult.

Anyway, Randi died last year and this film is only about five years old. There are plenty of magicians and entertainers among the talking heads commenting on the skeptical life that Randi lived and encouraged others to live in. Most interestingly, Bill Nye and Adam Savage are going on and on about the wonders of reason and skepticism and science.

You mean like your weirdo beliefs that people can change sex? Can't even fully enjoy a particularly interesting movie because of the blind spots of these entertainers.

I'm watching a documentary about James Randi, otherwise known as The Amazing Randi. Randi was a magician who, upon retiring from doing magic, took up being a professional skeptic who argued against faith healers and Uri Geller and other people using magic and claiming that they had special powers instead of perpetrating hoaxes on people. It's quite interesting -- I remember so much of this stuff going down when I was a kid and young adult. Anyway, Randi died last year and this film is only about five years old. There are plenty of magicians and entertainers among the talking heads commenting on the skeptical life that Randi lived and encouraged others to live in. Most interestingly, Bill Nye and Adam Savage are going on and on about the wonders of reason and skepticism and science. You mean like your weirdo beliefs that people can change sex? Can't even fully enjoy a particularly interesting movie because of the blind spots of these entertainers.

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[–] wildpansy 36 points (+37|-1)

The destruction of the skeptic and atheist community by the wokes was truly depressing. Real skepticism means you don't blindly believe every "study" that comes out of some for-profit educational institution and just so happens to confirm your existing worldview. In fact, that's the opposite of skepticism, when you don't question things. Like, that much should be obvious but for some reason it isn't...Rational Wiki has also turned into a joke.

At least Randi isn't here to see people turning his sincere efforts to help expose reality into the complete opposite, the coverup of reality for political purposes. The woke worldview is literally the opposite of the skeptical one - question everything vs never question anything, everything woke is always true and everything unwoke is always false. Reality = political ideology! They even have a saying for it - "reality has a liberal bias". Never before has it been easier to question your worldview - if you're on the left, you're always right. Critical thinking means being critical of people who disagree with you and calling them dumb and anti-science, right?

It's crazy finding out the atheism/skeptics community, where I went to learn about evolution because my schools decided it was "too controversial" to teach, denies one of the basic facts about evolution. That it is driven by sexual reproduction, which in many species is anisogamic.

[–] zuubat 3 points (+3|-0) Edited

The destruction of the skeptic and atheist community by the wokes was truly depressing.

I am a little new at all this, so I am unaware of the phenomenon. Can you suggest some sites & authors? Would love to learn more. Thanks.

Critical thinking means being critical of people who disagree with you and calling them dumb and anti-science, right?

Chuckle. Reminds me of those Ultimate SJW(tm) lawns signs touting that We believe in science. wtf, "believe in"?

[–] wildpansy 0 points (+0|-0)

It started with the whole "atheism+" saga. People started to call for politics to be involved with the atheism movement and everyone who disagreed got cancelled. It was a conflicting time because a lot of people had valid points about the treatment of women by the community and how there was still a lot of blatant sexism, made worse by the fact that both atheism and skepticism were majority male movements. But instead of reasonable discussion and being sincere about promoting acceptance the woke crowd started with their usual routine of witchhunting and cancelling everyone who disagreed, even though not everyone who took objection with them did it because of sexism/racism. The authoritarian thoughtpolice mindset was completely at odds with critical thinking, so the best minds left. Which was okay with the wokes, because who wants people who ask questions and criticize your precious beliefs in a skeptic community? Surely only those with blind faith in political ideologies are the true skeptics.

[–] bornwithovaries -6 points (+9|-15)

Those sites were never 100%. QuackWatch used to call Dr. Atkins (yes, the diet guy) a quack. Guess what the diabetic organizations are saying now? "Oh, uh, yeah, turns out low carb and keto really do help control your blood sugar." I automatically distrust anyone identifying as a skeptic, just because of that. Also because they treat science like a dogma. If your go-to response is "we know all the answers to this" then you're a fraud. "I don't know, but let's find out" should never be left out of any rational person's vocabulary.

It's like with homeopathy. Okay, sure, it doesn't work like aspirin. But the homeopathic teething tablets that I think they banned in like the last decade, how do those work? Because they do, and it's not placebo effect because babies don't understand what medicine is, and it's not because you're paying attention because the pills work better than just holding the crying kid going "shh, shh" or trying to distract them. They work. No one knows why. No one bothered finding out. It was just "this can't work and furthermore the materials that aren't actually in this because that's how homeopathy works, those are dangerous so let's ban the pills." What? Oh, whatever.

Life is complex. Life is complicated. People need to quit shutting off their brains.

[–] SilkySquid 21 points (+21|-0) Edited

But the homeopathic teething tablets that I think they banned in like the last decade, how do those work? Because they do, and it's not placebo effect because babies don't understand what medicine is, and it's not because you're paying attention because the pills work better than just holding the crying kid going "shh, shh" or trying to distract them. They work. No one knows why.

It's called placebo by proxy.

Clinicians and family members may have an emotional response to a patient’s treatment and think that the treatment is helping the patient even in the absence of any direct physiological benefit to the patient or indication from the patient that the treatment is working.

[–] Srfthrowaway 11 points (+11|-0) Edited

Exactly. Edit I was staying away from this comment but here I am. Thank you for posting the definition of placebo by proxy. There are even veterinarians who practice this junk on animals.

Edit2 I gave her an upvote cause this is a worthwhile conversation to have. She asks good questions.

[–] nvwdn 20 points (+22|-2)

Ma'am, are you for real gonna defend homeopathy here and say it works? Do you know what homeopathy is?

Yeah, when we take homeopathic meds for stuff like common cold, it's fine. But there are people out there that promote using that shit for treating CANCER. Because they read stuff like "oy ey nobody knows why but it works!". Wtf.

[–] inTERFerence 19 points (+19|-0)

I was in with some very crunchy granola types and went to a seminar on homeopathic medicine. Most of those tablets contain lactose. When I asked if taking a ton of these pills every day would cause issue for someone who had lactose intolerance, I was told, "No, because the body recognizes that this lactose is for healing."

[–] Srfthrowaway 10 points (+12|-2) Edited

And they use it instead of real medicine. It's very scary stuff.

Edit hahaha we are downvoted for cancer treatment lol

I remember when the editor of the New England Journal if Medicine came out saying “It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine”

[–] xyzpdq 23 points (+23|-0)

I just commented about skepticism and science in another post. These supposed "scientists" are seriously disappointing.

[–] Lilypad9999 22 points (+22|-0)

I wonder if someone made response videos to these very famous skeptics like "bill nye doesn't understand biology" or "Adam can't explain everything", it would get a good amount of traction. I remember the Adam explains everything guy was on rogan and he kept saying puberty blockers were reversible.....there is a ton of stuff in that podcast to refute

[–] wildpansy 15 points (+15|-0)

he kept saying puberty blockers were reversible

Is he a doctor? Where do these people even get the confidence to make those claims? The confidence that modern day wokes have is astounding, calling themselves critical thinkers while blindly parroting every dumbass political slogan out there, how brave and intellectual of them to say the same things everyone else around them is saying. And then they act like they're saying something controversial, too. No, when everyone is saying the same thing, it's actually the opposite of controversial and brave and it sure as hell doesn't say anything positive about your intelligence.

[–] Srfthrowaway 14 points (+14|-0)

Yep in another thread I mentioned sciencebasedmedicine.org. my OG go-to source for patients to read about vaccines, homeoquackery, etc I can't use anymore as they swallowed the trans narrative and there's no debate allowed. 🤔🙄🙁

[–] MelMarieCurebee 22 points (+22|-0)

I watched a video last night, an hour long, about a guy leaving a cult and how the cult didn't like it when you said they were a cult, etc. At the very end he comes out as "pansexual". Fffuckoutahere.

Why is it that even people who have escaped a cult, can speak clearly about cult dynamics, don't even know they're in another one? It makes me sad for humanity.

Although ... it's mostly only men I've witnessed this with. Not saying women always recognize when they're in a cult. What I'm more saying is that I think on the topic of sexism/gender nonsense, women are more sensitive to how it works and are more likely to see it as a cult as a result.

[–] Medusa 18 points (+18|-0)

It's been interesting for me to watch men vs women leaving various cults and cult-like groups, because their exits and life afterward have been so different. The women realize they are more than they were told they were, and the men (usually) realize the opposite.

All of the ex-cult men I know have lost faith in a god, but their faith in patriarchy and their sexist attitudes have remained almost entirely unchanged. They deeply resent women.

Those men I know have completely bought into the gender nonsense, by the way. Their experience has taught them how to navigate a set of arbitrary rules that benefit them and allow them to climb a ladder, and they have no problem ignoring all the women being stepped on along the way.

[–] MelMarieCurebee 5 points (+5|-0)

Intriguing observations. They correspond with my slightly different observations, and flesh them out quite a bit.

[–] pennygadget 21 points (+21|-0)

Speaking of Bill Nye, episodes of his 90s children's science show were retroactively edited on streaming services. Specifically, the episode on DNA cut out a scene where the kids say that your chromosomes determine your sex.

[–] OatsNeckties 6 points (+6|-0)

The skeptic community has been misogynistic as fuck for decades. I dallied briefly with the Bad Science discussion forum but they were raging dickheads.

I watched this documentary a while back and thought exactly the same thing.

Science, as it is currently practiced is just another religion (and a woman-hating one at that).

Randi et al always made my skin crawl.

[–] WildflowerCat 1 points (+1|-0)

Wait am I missing something? I always thought Randi was amazing, why is he creepy? Was he purporting that people were born in the wrong sex and its possible to change it?

It was the whole smarter-than-thou misogynist stuff the New Atheist mob were steeped in.

[–] WildflowerCat 1 points (+1|-0)

I really would hate to see him spoiled in my eyes, I always really respected him. I know that some "atheists" were extremely gross and misogynistic back when that was the cool thing men were doing, but did Randi explicitly engage in the misogyny?

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