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One of the infinite number of things that perplexes me about all this shit is how come Lefties and feminists who buy into gender identity ideology aren’t just a bit suspicious or wary about supporting a cause now championed and enforced by corporations/big business, governments, police forces, the mainstream media, all NGOs including sporting bodies, Big Pharma, all Western elites etc. etc. How can that not raise giant fucking alarm bells in your head?

When were we EVER on the same side as all these forces? The answer is never!

One of the infinite number of things that perplexes me about all this shit is how come Lefties and feminists who buy into gender identity ideology aren’t just a bit suspicious or wary about supporting a cause now championed and enforced by corporations/big business, governments, police forces, the mainstream media, all NGOs including sporting bodies, Big Pharma, all Western elites etc. etc. How can that not raise giant fucking alarm bells in your head? When were we EVER on the same side as all these forces? The answer is never!

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[–] Hera 14 points

Contrary to their claims, the left is, in fact, no smarter or more scientific than the right. They are still just as susceptible to mind control and religious insanity, and the trans rights movement is living proof of it.

Aside from the obvious (these people hate women, even the libfems), there's also another factor. Modern "leftists" aren't people who've really engaged with or seriously considered any kind of leftist theory (let alone radical feminism). To them, being a "leftist" is a fashion plate, just another label to add to their twitter bio. They're incredibly shallow and thoughtless.

It's just what happens to political thought when people stop reading and thinking and instead copy-paste all of their identity from some other internet dipshit.

its not just from the internet though, TRAs have taken over academia, HR departments, the IOC, everything. they've done it through the back door because it would be harder through the front because most people actually don't support self ID when it comes to the nitty gritty.

the left failed when it bought into identity politics. its much worse in the US but its pretty bad over here in the UK. identity politics opened the door to the postmodern theories that basically mean nothing is true but somehow the most marginalised people are in possession of the truth, as long as its about their oppression. its hard to explain in a few lines, i highly recommend a book called Cynical theories that explains it.

definitely agree with the shallowness, it takes about 2 seconds of thought to come up with several reasons why sex is real and important to acknowledge.

[–] Asina 1 points Edited

I'll look up that book, I'm also reminded of Camilla Pagilia on the unpredictable mysterious drives of history, I can see how this insanity is only the modern manifestation of gender envy and castration cults that have existed since antiquity. So there's nothing new under the sun

i will have to check out Camilla Pagilia, sounds very interesting.

and yeah, all the ideas have been through numerous iterations of roughly the same thing since the ancient greeks. these times aren't special in that regard, as a species we seem very predesposed to taking leave of our senses and logical faculties.

Exactly this. I don't even know what they mean by saying they are on the left. They don't agree with corporate welfare? They believe in a living wage? Good god. Welcome to the 1950s Republican Party.

Its just what happens to political thought when people stop reading and thinking and instead copy-paste all of their identity from some other internet dipshit.

Yep. Most TRAs have never thought about WHY they support whatever issue is trending on Twitter or Instagram today. They just assume that parroting whatever NPR or their favorite Podcaster says makes them smart.

I really hear you, and I have the same befuddled perplexed feelings about the left's uncritical acceptance of a number of other things also championed and supported by Big Pharma/corporations/western elites/governments/mainstream media etc.

When I was growing up, the left was the party that knew how to question authority. That championed free speech. Now it's all about conformity with what the authorities tell you and cancellation for wrong think. I really don't understand how or why this happened.

I wish your comment was higher. As I've commented in the past, this whole gender ideology shit has made me take a hard critical look at all the liberal causes that I supported. Think about it: what major "liberal" cause hasn't been supported by corporations and the elite?

I think the issue is that "liberals" aren't truly liberal. They're neoliberal, which isn't all that different from classical conservativism besides how it pays lip service to minority social causes. And that's just a cynical way to keep the proponents of those minority social causes as complacent consumers and reliable voters.

[–] Asina 2 points Edited

If you think men can be women its time to reexamine all of your piriors. Its definitely gotten me off of tribal politics, this insanity reminiscent of past of insanity & atrocities drives home that its a human drive. The point of fascism not having a political homebase is coming home to roost repeating the mistakes of the past because we never learn from them.

I'm lot more comfortable not having a political identity and appreciating other traditions & thought

And that's just a cynical way to keep the proponents of those minority social causes as complacent consumers and reliable voters.

this rings as truth.

[–] Lilith 39 points Edited

The left is currently on a big high of "we've made it!! They're LISTENING to us!! They have to do what WE say!!"

They don't know they are being duped. They think they have real power and are made to believe that its only right-wingers who are preventing them from gaining more ground. They don't see the corporate engine influence in this (and other trendy causes like sex work!) They don't see the way business owners, politicians and other power brokers pretend to care about some causes (racism, disability, mental health, feminism) to keep everyone just too distracted to really threaten their position. They think they have got something over on the power brokers, when its the opposite.

Its especially bizarre when the same lefties who constantly screech about the evils of capitalism embrace a movement that could not exist without unchecked capitalism propping it up. They think they're the underdogs when virtually every multi-billion dollar corporation is bending over backwards to kiss their asses.

Martin Luther King Jr wishes he was "oppressed" the same way trans people are today!

Because they arent actually left wing or feminist. They are authoritarians who don't want to be lumped in with the conservatives because its uncool.

I can't help but think this is a conspiracy/astroturf whatever you call it.

If you're a billionaire oligarch and you want to keep the billions you made me oppression or inheritance, or both, what better than to knee cap the only movement that wants to topple you? And instead of beating a movement down with force and aggression, isn't it much sweeter to just hollow out their movement and silently convert them to your cause?

What is now "the left" is a bunch of capitalism worshipping, beauty surgery consuming gender religious morons. And nobody cares about actually taking what the billionaires stole from us. Just in the covid years the billionaires made several TRILLION USD, while the same amount of money disappeared from the hands of the workers.

Imo it's all working as planned and we are losing every step of the way.

They are authoritarians who don't want to be lumped in with the conservatives because its uncool.

If conservatism somehow became "cool" tomorrow, they'd all switch their beliefs in a heartbeat

I think it's a combination of denial and herd mentality. It isn't always that they don't have alarm bells going off in their head as much as it is that they know they'll be shunned if they dare to even ask questions. The fear is honestly kind of deserved, people have lost jobs and been shunned by their social circles because of gender critical beliefs. I mean, just look at how people treat Rowling now, simply for suggesting that penis = man. I certainly don't have the guts to say anything "terfy" irl either lol. But some of these people spit this shit out as a defense mechanism I think. All you have to do is put /they in your bio and suddenly you're trans just because you said so and are now immune to criticism 🙄

And then you have the ones that are media-brainwashed human cattle who just jump from one hot issue to the next. Notice how many of those "male feminist" types switched to TRA as soon as they found out they could still hate women and still be seen as "progressive", lmao. They don't see the big picture because they don't actually care, so they don't need to think about it. It's not even about change for most of these people any more, they just like the idea of being a progressive freedom fighter who's on the right side of history. It's so fake They don't care how women are affected by this because it's not cool anymore, and that's all they ever really cared about. Slacktivism at its finest, prime targets for big corporations to sink their vampire teeth into, lol

[–] [Deleted] 5 points Edited

One thing that really makes me scratch my head about all this is that there doesn't seem to be any agreement on which sector of the party this is coming from. Some say it's the neoliberal wing with their embrace of identity politics. Others believe it's the far left crowd. My gut feeling is that most regular D voters are not all that enthusiastic about TIMs self-identifying into female sports and changing rooms. Yet every single Dem in Congress seems to have signed onto this TWAW suicide pact, from Joe Manchin to AOC. It's all so weird. Is it really just about Pritzker money and nothing else? Or are Dems badly misreading the electorate? Or am I the one who's badly misreading the electorate?

Yeah, agreed! I think one problem with regular democrat voters (especially older ones) is that they don’t realize the impact to women and children. It makes them uncomfortable to agree with republicans on even one thing, so they go along with this trans nonsense but don’t look too far into it. They want to believe that any negative aspects of trans are “right wing fake news,” “only happening online,” or “outliers.”

That somewhat describes me a few years ago although I was always a bit dubious. I'm really struggling with my politics lately. I plan to make a fuller post about it sometime soon.

[–] Nediljka_Orwell PITA crone 2 points

It is mystifying and very frustrating.

I'm convinced that their young woke aides manage their exposure to dissent and avoid mentioning it to them as much as possible. And that they delete emails or pitch letters. Every time I send a GC email I get an "I proudly support the Equality Act!" boilerplate robo reply. So either it's an AI that sees the word "transgender" in my email and generates that infuriating automatic reply, or a snickering woke aide is gleefully selecting and sending it.

I do call and give a piece of my mind to the poor lackey manning the phone now and then. I make them repeat what I've said back to me so that there is no misunderstanding. Granted, they may still log my call as being supportive of trans rights. But at least they got the message that dissent is out there.

I wonder the same thing! Weren't we all super suspicious of Big Pharma and all these gigantic corporations just a few short years ago?

Big pharma has become essential to a large percentage of people. You have to keep grinding if you want to eat. How many people are on psych meds or pain meds or managing symptoms of an ailment they can't treat because they don't have the time or headspace? We're all ~mentally ill~ and have ~chronic illness~ because we're working like dogs and are still one bad day from complete financial ruin. We need big pharma. We're grateful to big pharma because without them, we wouldn't be able to function in a society where productivity is necessary to earn the right to live.

We're all ~mentally ill~ and have ~chronic illness~ because we're working like dogs and are still one bad day from complete financial ruin.

So true. Americans don't have the time for holistic remedies like talk therapy, dietary changes, cutting down on work for a bit so they have more time for self care, etc because they all have to work 2 jobs just to afford rent. So the easiest "solution" for both patient and doctor is to hand out a "mental illness" diagnosis and some pills.

And I want to be clear, I'm not saying that to undermine people with either. I have pretty severe anxiety. I have a history of depression including self-harm and suicidal ideation. I have fibromyalgia and autoimmune pain so bad it keeps me up at night. Every doctor visit, they want me back on antidepressants. They want to treat the symptoms with a pharmaceutical bandaid and keep me working at peak. It's always such a surprise when I insist, "Yes, I'm in pain, no I'm not going back on psych meds. I don't want to numb myself until I operate at 'normal levels'. I'm going to manage with lifestyle changes and I'm not looking to mask my symptoms with a pharmceutical cocktail. Been there, done that."

The illnesses are fucking real. The struggle is fucking real. But the meds just slap a bandaid over the top of real issues. They come with nasty fucking side effects and medical science doesn't understand half of what it pretends to.

[–] pennygadget 5 points Edited

I wonder the same thing! Weren't we all super suspicious of Big Pharma and all these gigantic corporations just a few short years ago?

Goldman-Sachs, Pfizer, and Nestlé put a rainbow flag on their logos every June. So those corporations are totally nice now!

So totally. The whole women's health movement was about this.

I think a lot have fallen into the idea that lefties are "the good guys" and were ultimately destined to triumph. After all, you can't be sure you're "on the right side of history" if you don't know which direction history is headed (or if it isn't going in a linear direction at all; what point in history will they consider this "the right side"? Are we pretending that would just be an eternally agreed upon opinion after some point in the future?). The reactionary mindset where if Trump team = bad, things that Trump team doesn't like = good; complacency in our sense of moral and intellectual superiority and unwillingness to examine or take accountability for our own failures, to admit that we might be wrong about some things, to admit we might have even been duped. The "smug liberal" is a stereotype for a reason, unfortunately.

Personally, I was definitely guilty of naively believing in the "good" of people who shared my political leanings, like it was safer on this side, among good people, practically friends you just hadn't met yet if you saw someone with, say, a bumper sticker that marked them as part of my 'tribe.' Then a friend was absolutely brutalized, horrifically, by three strange men, and those same people who had been earnestly parroting things like "it only isn't rape if it's enthusiastic consent!" completely turned on her, bullied her into silence, harassed her into not pursuing charges, didn't offer her so much as a "what those men did to you was wrong, and you didn't deserve it," utterly devoid of humanity, because the crime didn't fit their narrative, she wasn't the right kind of victim, they weren't the right kind of attackers. The scales fell from my eyes about how "good" "my people" are when that played out.

OH!! Wow, what happened to your friend really brings it down to hard earth. I cannot imagine...

I can't fully imagine what she went through, but it was sure as hell a wakeup call that people who make their lives revolve around virtue signaling commitment to social justice issues can be absolute monsters, whether they're genuine sociopaths or whether it's more like one of those disturbing social experiments trying to demonstrate the kind of pressures and conditions that allow things like Nazi-era atrocities to happen. They literally showed up to guilt trip her about making a statement to police while she was still in the hospital, paralyzed, as soon as she was allowed visitors (she had nearly died from dehydration before anyone found her). My immediate takeaway was 'if these fucking people ever get more power in society, we're in a lot of trouble.'

That was over a decade ago.

I hope those men were brought to justice :( Very sorry for your friend. And yes, even so-called "progressives" can be complete and utter monsters, void of empathy.

I was pondering this the other day! Of course I didn’t come up with any answers but I’m interested to read the comments here.

It’s just so hard to wrap my head around this stuff, it makes me feel like I’m going insane or that I’m trapped in a dystopian novel.

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