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I should imagine the goddess Eris one day went up to the god Ares and had a little conversation that went like this:

Eris: "Hey, BFF, look what I just fucking made!"

Ares: "Another golden apple of discord? Whoop-di-shit."

Eris: "Read the inscription, donut puncher!"

Latinx.

Ares: "Holy shit that's fucking genius."

Eris: "I made a billion of these fucking things. I'm stuffing them into the cannon and aiming it American colleges. Especially ones around the Mexican border. This is going to so much fun to watch."

I like to think Eris and Ares swore a lot. Use the word "heckin'" in front of them and see what they do.

So I'm scrolling through facebook and an ad appears for a grassroots bank that is specially aimed for people of color. It was a notice that they did indeed allow accounts for white allies, who support black people and Latinx. I had some thoughts that these were the only two minorities in the world according to this bank, but I quickly clicked the comments to watch the inevitable fireworks.

Yup, it was about Latinx. No conversation about how this bank worked, what were the benefits of using it over the banking giants, how banks have historically discriminated people of color, none of that. Nope. Only fighting about Latinx.

Objectors called it Gringx imperialism. The Gringx part was funny, but supporters quickly pointed out that the term was coined by a Puerto Rican queer activist. I vote that makes it Spanish imperialism against English speakers, and Queen Elizabeth I should be notified so she can sink Spanish ships before it's too late.

Objectors correctly pointed out that Latinx was difficult for Spanish speakers to actually pronounce- a word about their community that they couldn't even properly say. Why not go with Latine?

Because REASONS, that's why!

A few white people chimed in with "My Dominican supervisor has advised me to use the word, what should I do?" Much like the meaning of life, this question went unanswered. Like the sound of one hand clapping, a mere thought experiment on which to meditate.

I don't think this is really white liberals forcing the word down everybody's throats- instead they're between a rock and a hard place because Woketivists insist they use it OR ELSE and meanwhile, most "Latinx" people hate it.

My personal objections to it, besides the fact that it's stupid, is that "Latin" works as a gender neutral adjective in English, is you want one. LatinX is just vain and redundant. It can only really be applied to English in Spanish- in Japanese Latino is "Raten-kei" and Latina is "Ratina." In Chinese both are "Lading Yi." Considering both languages are Asian, it would totally be imperialism to insist they say it the Spanish or English way because muh genders! And it IS hard to say- in most languages, vowels are easier to pronounce that blended or mixed consonants. It should be Latine, or Latin. Activists who use it disregard the very people they're applying it to. English, as a language, accepts a lot of loan words, and I never had a problem with Latino or Latina.

Most English speakers I know are just nervous about the word because they have to read the room every time, which might have mixed company. This includes English speakers of color, who have been completely ignored in this conversation.

Who have Woketivists united with this stupid word? Who is included that wasn't covered before? If there was a problem, why not go with Latine? And why is it on non-Spanish speakers of every language to solve this problem anyway?

The whole thing is imperialist, because it operates on the notion that there are no important languages outside of English and Spanish, the two biggest colonizing languages in the world.

I should imagine the goddess Eris one day went up to the god Ares and had a little conversation that went like this: Eris: "Hey, BFF, look what I just fucking made!" Ares: "Another golden apple of discord? Whoop-di-shit." Eris: "Read the inscription, donut puncher!" ***Latinx.*** Ares: "Holy shit that's fucking genius." Eris: "I made a billion of these fucking things. I'm stuffing them into the cannon and aiming it American colleges. Especially ones around the Mexican border. This is going to so much fun to watch." I like to think Eris and Ares swore a lot. Use the word "heckin'" in front of them and see what they do. So I'm scrolling through facebook and an ad appears for a grassroots bank that is specially aimed for people of color. It was a notice that they did indeed allow accounts for white allies, who support black people and Latinx. I had some thoughts that these were the only two minorities in the world according to this bank, but I quickly clicked the comments to watch the inevitable fireworks. Yup, it was about Latinx. No conversation about how this bank worked, what were the benefits of using it over the banking giants, how banks have historically discriminated people of color, none of that. Nope. Only fighting about Latinx. Objectors called it Gringx imperialism. The Gringx part was funny, but supporters quickly pointed out that the term was coined by a Puerto Rican queer activist. I vote that makes it Spanish imperialism against English speakers, and Queen Elizabeth I should be notified so she can sink Spanish ships before it's too late. Objectors correctly pointed out that Latinx was difficult for Spanish speakers to actually pronounce- a word about their community that they couldn't even properly say. Why not go with Latine? Because REASONS, that's why! A few white people chimed in with "My Dominican supervisor has advised me to use the word, what should I do?" Much like the meaning of life, this question went unanswered. Like the sound of one hand clapping, a mere thought experiment on which to meditate. I don't think this is really white liberals forcing the word down everybody's throats- instead they're between a rock and a hard place because Woketivists insist they use it OR ELSE and meanwhile, most "Latinx" people hate it. My personal objections to it, besides the fact that it's stupid, is that "Latin" works as a gender neutral adjective in English, is you want one. LatinX is just vain and redundant. It can only really be applied to English in Spanish- in Japanese Latino is "Raten-kei" and Latina is "Ratina." In Chinese both are "Lading Yi." Considering both languages are Asian, it would totally be imperialism to insist they say it the Spanish or English way because muh genders! And it IS hard to say- in most languages, vowels are easier to pronounce that blended or mixed consonants. It should be Latine, or Latin. Activists who use it disregard the very people they're applying it to. English, as a language, accepts a lot of loan words, and I never had a problem with Latino or Latina. Most English speakers I know are just nervous about the word because they have to read the room every time, which might have mixed company. This includes English speakers of color, who have been completely ignored in this conversation. Who have Woketivists united with this stupid word? Who is included that wasn't covered before? If there was a problem, why not go with Latine? And why is it on non-Spanish speakers of every language to solve this problem anyway? The whole thing is imperialist, because it operates on the notion that there are no important languages outside of English and Spanish, the two biggest colonizing languages in the world.

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[–] hellamomzilla 53 points (+53|-0)

I have said this before and I'll say it again, X marks the spot of total stupidity and I back away and never look back. People who use these constructions make it too easy. LatinX, folx, womxn, Mx.

Bye.

[–] lulululululu 39 points (+39|-0)

I grew up around a lot of Latinos. When we were children, they tended to use the word “Hispanic” for themselves and when we were older, around the late 2000s or maybe the early 2010s, there was a shift, and they started to use the word “Latino” for themselves. No one ever used “Latinx.”

It was only when I went to university and met the woke college Latinos that I started to hear the word “Latinx” and they would bully you if you didn’t also use the word “Latinx.” They didn’t care if you pointed out to them that no Latinos outside of woke college Latinos wanted to be called “Latinx,” they said that we should listen to them even though they were the minority in their own community wanting to be called “Latinx” because the rest of their community was transphobic.

At my first job after college, there were lots of Latinos, who wanted to be called... “Latino.” I also spent some time after graduation working in a Latin American country, and once again I only ever heard the word “Latino.”

So my opinion on all of this is that the word “Latinx” is kind of like a class marker for class aspirational college educated, upwardly mobile Latinos. They want you to know that they’re better than everyone else in their community and are perfectly willing to throw the rest of their community under the bus as transphobic. Personally as an other ethnic minority I can’t imagine throwing my community under the bus for woke points but that’s what our culture awards at the moment...

[–] pennygadget 20 points (+20|-0)

So my opinion on all of this is that the word “Latinx” is kind of like a class marker for class aspirational college educated, upwardly mobile Latinos.

Its also a marker for Latinos who don't speak a lick of Spanish. LOL

[–] swingingreportshow 17 points (+17|-0)

In my college, we used to call it Chicana/o Latina/o studies. Sometimes I would see Chican@ or Latin@ to not have to write the a and o over and over again. I liked how, because it was a woman’s college, the a would go first. And you’re right, now that I check the website, the title of the degree has changed to Latinx/Chicanx studies. It definitely erases the emphasis on women. It also seems completely throwaway, since the body of the degree description still uses Latina/Chicana. https://www.scrippscollege.edu/departments/chicanx-latinx-studies

[–] ouvalemonde 4 points (+4|-0)

Ooh, I think that 'Latin@' is pretty clever, I've never seen that before.

[–] Researcher1536 13 points (+13|-0)

All my Latino friends who use Latinx are highly educated. It does seem like it's an attempt to look progressive, inclusive, and cool. Josefa y Juanma del pueblito would tell them to shut the hell up and stop navel gazing.

[–] edieandthea 38 points (+38|-0)

I volunteered for a free tutoring program for minority students. Woke organizers wanted Latinx on the Spanish announcements, Latino volunteer tutors pushed back saying the Latino families may not understand “Latinx” and think it was for non-binary Latinos only or something.

[–] ouvalemonde 16 points (+16|-0)

Wokeism so inclusive it excludes the people it's supposed to include.

[–] Seven 21 points (+21|-0)

Lol, in my country at least the wokesters abolished the x because of people who use reading softwares(blind people). But they are trying to contort the entire language in “e” in the end. “Elu”, “delu”, and “e” at the end of every word. Way to change 6 to half a dozen

[–] Alecto 19 points (+19|-0)

That's why I use 'Hispanic' and sidestep the whole argument 👉👉

I would read a comic series with this premise. How the Greek gods spend their time fucking with modern humanity. I like your style way more than I did American Gods.

[–] Womancup 7 points (+7|-0)

I thought Latino refers to anyone from Latin America, including Brazil. Hispanic doesn't really cover them I think.

[–] Verdandi 10 points (+11|-1) Edited

Seems like the real issue is that everyone is lumping 4-5 very distinctly different cultures all into one group, and that's why we have problems. We see a short brown person speaking Spanish and automatically put them in the "Hispanic/Latino" category, when in reality it should not be just one big category.

It feels like when people refer to "Africa" as a country or culture. Like... there are actually 54 countries in Africa, all of them distinct in their culture.

I know they try to do this for like census and statistics purposes, but that really doesn't apply to everyday life conversations.

[–] bornwithovaries 1 points (+1|-0)

If you don't know what country the person is from but you can narrow it down to a Spanish-speaking country and it doesn't sound like European Spanish, yeah, you're gonna want a label for that.

I mean there are people who get offended at "where are you from" questions now... understandably so, those questions are so often racially loaded.

[–] Alecto 5 points (+5|-0)

Oh I know the difference, I just rarely talk about Latin America as a whole, just the Spanish-speaking part.

[–] Verdandi 3 points (+3|-0) Edited

Many Spanish speakers would greatly object to being called Hispanic. It specifically refers to people from Spain, which many native Mexican/Latin American people do not like. I've made this mistake a few times and gotten an earful about how evil the Spanish explorers were and how much "Hispanic" erases the native Mexicans identity.

This was years ago before all this stuff happened, so I don't know what the deal is, all I know is that I got a very serious talking-to when I used Hispanic to describe someone from Latin America, so I no longer do it.

The worst part about all this is that people are getting so confused and afraid of getting yelled at for making a genuine mistake that it's common just to avoid talking about Latin people or issues at all.

It's like when someone has a very difficult to pronounce name and people end up avoiding that person or talking to/about them altogether.

[–] Alecto 7 points (+7|-0)

Wouldn't....Latino also erase native Mexicans? The Portuguese didn't exactly come in peace either. I actually have never heard about Spanish speakers objecting to being called Hispanic (I believe you, though).

[–] Verdandi 7 points (+7|-0) Edited

I have no idea, and I think that's the core problem. We're getting messages in all directions, and what one person likes another person finds extremely offensive. It's become an ideological minefield.

[–] HessaHein 17 points (+17|-0) Edited
[–] sensusquaeram 8 points (+8|-0)

Tks -- was gonna go hunt this and link it. Editorial pushing of "Latinx" is about a micron away from TRA co-option of "Two-Spirit."

[–] Hermione 1 points (+2|-1)

Wasn’t two-spirit also primarily leveraged by First Nations LGBTQ as well? I’ve researched it a little and can’t come to the conclusion that some white wokie stumbled upon it and started using it for their own purposes.

[–] sensusquaeram 1 points (+1|-0)

It very well may have been. If you have any article links you'd like to share, I'd love to learn more (have mostly only seen social media comments about this).

[–] bornwithovaries 0 points (+0|-0)

Problem is they are using the term to refer to trans in the modern settler sense of the word.

[–] SakauMelocoton 12 points (+12|-0)

Ug...My american relative likes to call herself (and us) "Latinx".

We are NOT latinX. It's latino or latina, with the plural form being latinos. Some like to text or write it as latin@s to encompass both, it's kinda cute.

Also, I hope these "latinx" people know Latinos and Hispanics are not always the same.

  • Spain: ☑ Hispanic [𐄂] Latino

  • Brazil: ☑ Latino [𐄂] Hispanic

  • South American countries [ex. Argentina, Salvador, Uruguay, plus NA country Mexico, etc]: ☑ Latino ☑ Hispanic

[–] Womancup 4 points (+4|-0)

Aren't people speaking Romance languages in Europe called Latin as well? At least that's how I always thought of them.

[–] EternaEspiral 3 points (+3|-0)

This is why it's 'latinoamericanos", in latin america, latino is an abbreviation

[–] pennygadget 11 points (+12|-1)

It was a notice that they did indeed allow accounts for white allies, who support black people and Latinx. I had some thoughts that these were the only two minorities in the world according to this bank....

According to wokesters (especially the ones in California), those are the only 2 minorities in the world. Because they think the whole world is just like America and has the exact same racial politics.

[–] Verdandi 7 points (+7|-0) Edited

No lie, I've repeatedly seen wokesters say that Asian people are not oppressed in America. Like, they don't count as POC because they get admitted to Ivy League schools in very high numbers.

They're completely ignorant of the many Asian immigrants who struggle here. They have no idea about the severe poverty that's present in those communities and how hard it is for them to survive, constantly being screamed at, "SPEAK ENGLISH" and racist "ching chong bing bong" crap.

Like they have completely forgotten (or never knew) about the Japanese interment camps. There are survivors still alive today, like George Takei.

[–] pennygadget 5 points (+5|-0)

Wokesters also believe that all Jews are privileged oppressors. And that any antisemitism anywhere is justified because of Palestine.

No lie, I've repeatedly seen wokesters say that Asian people are not oppressed in America.

I worked for a non profit in the past. My co-workers (mostly privileged, college educated White kids) were genuinely shocked that one impoverished neighborhood we served had lots of Asians. Like...they legit thought all Asians were rich and that all illegal immigrants are Hispanic.

Also, the Asian kids tended to do better in school than the Hispanic kids because it was too hard to find ESL teachers who spoke Vietnamese and Chinese (so the schools didn't bother). So the Asian children learned English while the Mexican kids weren't expected to move beyond ESL (and often never did). It was fucking sad.

[–] wildpansy 3 points (+3|-0)

There being poor Asians doesn't make Asians oppressed because that would mean there being poor Whites means Whites are oppressed. Someone has to be the oppressor and unlike in the woke conspiracy theories in the real world the only thing that allows you to oppress anyone in the Western world is money. The wokes can't accept that though, because the vast majority of them come from wealthier backgrounds than average, no matter their skin color. That's how you get these confused people doing mental gymnastics to blame everything on race because if wealthy people are oppressors that would mean they are oppressors and that doesn't really bode well for their image as a holy savior of the oppressed.

[–] bornwithovaries 3 points (+3|-0)

And part of the reason they get admitted to college, period, in very high numbers is that for a while (don't know if it's still true) we heavily preferred college grads as immigrants from Asia -- like, "we just want your smartest, not all you other riff-raff." (But you notice we don't deport, say, homegrown high-school dropouts.) And, well, kids are more likely to go to college if their parents graduated college. So that goes back to racism too, even if it had the weird effect of being economically beneficial.

[–] MelMarieCurebee 7 points (+7|-0)

English and Spanish, the two biggest colonizing languages in the world.

Bingo. So tired of people forgetting that Spanish is a colonizing language too. You have these 100% European-colonizer descended people being called "underprivileged" in the US and it's just pure nonsense if you're even a little familiar with the history of Latin America.

Way back when I was learning Spanish in high school and college, people who were actual Spanish speakers who wanted to correct for the male-assumption in the "o" at the end used the @ symbol. See? There's an "o" and an "a" right there in the same symbol! Linguistically, it worked the same way as s/he; it was short hand for "latino/latina" the same way s/he is shorthand for "she/he". That's what the minds of Spanish speakers came up with. I've found LatinX to be the most ridiculous ignorant childish approach to wokeism I've ever seen.

[–] DebraKadabra 6 points (+6|-0)

I love the story there - that made me laugh! A good buddy of mine works for a government program that serves vulnerable communities and so his workplace is steeped in this crap.

His Mexican mother yells at him for using the term Latinx. "I'm HISPANIC!!!"

I mean, his mom is a wild character so maybe she's not the best to side with. She's registered Republican and so the two of them have some pretty dramatic fights. I'm all...I don't agree with either of you knuckle heads.

My husband (a native Spanish speaker and actual Latino) and I have this conversation on a regular basis. He thinks it's ridiculous. I cringe whenever one of my friends uses it (thankfully, few of them do).

I think the fact that it's totally unpronounceable in Spanish is the clear sign that it was invented by a native English speaker. Every time I see the word, my brain reads it as "La-tinks." Probably because it's always written in an English-language sentence.

I honestly don't think I've ever seen it used within a Spanish-language sentence. I wonder how my brain would process that sound, seeing as how it makes no sense. "Latin-equis"?

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