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I went to a gay bar last night. I went outside to smoke by myself and met two young women who were very nice. I went back inside.

Some time later, I came back outside with my husband and I saw them again but I left them alone. At some point, I looked over again and a "surprise" sound effect went off in my head. One of the women had a man sitting super close to her with his arm behind her on the railing. When I tell you she looked like she was made of stone, she was so tense.

My brain registered this body language before it registered the rest, which was that this man, who was very large and looked to be in his 40s at the youngest, was wearing a blonde wig, a babydoll top which failed to cover his gut, and I think jean shorts.

It was kinda crazy. He looked just like the cringe pictures/videos I see online. I was like, Jesus. This man probably has kids.

Not to go on a tangent but I find something so terrifying about a man who is willing to do this. Terrifying. How unhinged and delusional you have to be to have the unwelcome confidence to flaunt your fetish and disrespect for all to see and deal with.

Anyways. I went over and asked the woman if she and her friend could come over to me because I wanted to ask them about something from our earlier convo. We sat down and they said, what's up? I said nothing, you just looked super tense and uncomfortable so I wanted to give you an out. If I was wrong then I'm sorry and you could totally go right back. They said thank you and we talked some more.

The TIM, I only saw him when I went outside to smoke and he was like an annoying fly buzzing around her. He only had eyes for her. The thing is, she was very attractive, so even if he wasn't wearing his misogynistic costume and didn't look insane, he'd still be way the fuck out of her league. And he's way too old. I did get pissed off when she was sitting down talking to (and flirting with) someone I came with and he was literally standing over about eight feet away blatantly staring at her. I glared at him until he saw me and looked away from her.

Anyway, the main point of sharing this is that this is the most typical male behavior ever. His wig can't cover his predatory eyeballs and salivating mouth. His high heels didn't stop him from bothering a woman who was about 20 years his junior. There is no difference between him and the "cis" man that was bothering the other woman.

I went to a gay bar last night. I went outside to smoke by myself and met two young women who were very nice. I went back inside. Some time later, I came back outside with my husband and I saw them again but I left them alone. At some point, I looked over again and a "surprise" sound effect went off in my head. One of the women had a man sitting super close to her with his arm behind her on the railing. When I tell you she looked like she was made of stone, she was so tense. My brain registered this body language before it registered the rest, which was that this man, who was very large and looked to be in his 40s at the youngest, was wearing a blonde wig, a babydoll top which failed to cover his gut, and I think jean shorts. It was kinda crazy. He looked just like the cringe pictures/videos I see online. I was like, Jesus. This man probably has kids. Not to go on a tangent but I find something so terrifying about a man who is willing to do this. Terrifying. How unhinged and delusional you have to be to have the unwelcome confidence to flaunt your fetish and disrespect for all to see and deal with. Anyways. I went over and asked the woman if she and her friend could come over to me because I wanted to ask them about something from our earlier convo. We sat down and they said, what's up? I said nothing, you just looked super tense and uncomfortable so I wanted to give you an out. If I was wrong then I'm sorry and you could totally go right back. They said thank you and we talked some more. The TIM, I only saw him when I went outside to smoke and he was like an annoying fly buzzing around her. He only had eyes for her. The thing is, she was very attractive, so even if he wasn't wearing his misogynistic costume and didn't look insane, he'd still be way the fuck out of her league. And he's way too old. I did get pissed off when she was sitting down talking to (and flirting with) someone I came with and he was literally standing over about eight feet away blatantly staring at her. I glared at him until he saw me and looked away from her. Anyway, the main point of sharing this is that this is the most typical male behavior ever. His wig can't cover his predatory eyeballs and salivating mouth. His high heels didn't stop him from bothering a woman who was about 20 years his junior. There is no difference between him and the "cis" man that was bothering the other woman.

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Not to go on a tangent but I find something so terrifying about a man who is willing to do this. Terrifying. How unhinged and delusional you have to be to have the unwelcome confidence to flaunt your fetish and disrespect for all to see and deal with.

This is what makes me the most uncomfortable about TiPs. The disconnect from reality. I do know several TiPs, and they're all fine people on the outside during small, topical interactions, but dig a little deeper and you'll find someone who is deeply disturbed and mentally unwell. People who are disconnected from reality can do terrible, terrible things in an effort to make reality match their delusions or because the playing out of their delusion means they need to do something rash in reality. And I'm not saying all TiPs are dangerous or anything like that, but there are commonalities there that I'm no longer willing to ignore.

They're so vile and predatory. This is nothing more than blatant misogyny that these perverts have been given the power to do this to women and assault or get them fired if they don't take it.

[–] LarmeKeiLover 28 points Edited

These males know full well they are creeping on women and that we are nothing more than sex objects to them. I'm so glad you were there to help them, we basically all know that it's like to have to be rescued from moids. These males know what they are doing, they know they aren't supposed to be in these spaces, they know they are harming women especially gay women and they get off on the pain. It wouldn't surprise me if he touched himself over how scared she was. I've had men blatantly show arousal when I told them in detail why they terrify women, they fucking hate us.

Yes, now that you say it, he didn't seem oblivious to her discomfort. It seemed like he didn't care, or much more likely he actually enjoyed it.

There are unspoken social boundaries and that’s why TIMs and other assorted incels/creeps ping on the radar. We instinctively know that a man who does something “minor” to violate these boundaries, like say sit way too close to a stranger or ignore clear disinterest signals, is capable of violating even greater boundaries down the line.

[–] Nediljka_Orwell PITA crone 17 points

Just like with that Bimbo larping shop teacher, I doubt it’s “delusion”. Dressing and behaving like that is seeing how far you can push an anti social power play. With laws and a brainwashed compliant society to protect and indulge you, you can push it pretty far.

[–] hmimperialtortie AGP = evil 14 points

Yes, these men aren’t delusional. They know exactly what they’re doing. They are predators.

with my husband

Are straight couples welcome at gay bars?

I’m straight and my gay friends invite me and other straight people from time to time. From what I understand they’re not unwelcome or anything. So long as you’re not a jackass.

Not sure about "welcome" but it's normal nowadays to see straight couples at pride/gay bars.

I'd be surprised if even half of the customers that go to gay bars were actually gay...