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I saw some comments regarding how AGP’s and trans men make it difficult to rent our room/board if you’re looking to rent out to “women only” in that their responses can be frightening and aggressive, so I thought I’d share some advice I got from a Landlady friend of mine who rents out.

She said when she runs ads to rent rooms, she only gives a general major intersection relatively close by and uses a temporary phone number. She posts add “to inquire further, call x” and uses a fake name.

She’s not breaking any laws and it keeps her from being identified or stalked to her home as she sometimes even gets angry men who feel entitled to call her.

Some determined jackass can still get around that I guess but it’s safer at least.

I saw some comments regarding how AGP’s and trans men make it difficult to rent our room/board if you’re looking to rent out to “women only” in that their responses can be frightening and aggressive, so I thought I’d share some advice I got from a Landlady friend of mine who rents out. She said when she runs ads to rent rooms, she only gives a general major intersection relatively close by and uses a temporary phone number. She posts add “to inquire further, call x” and uses a fake name. She’s not breaking any laws and it keeps her from being identified or stalked to her home as she sometimes even gets angry men who feel entitled to call her. Some determined jackass can still get around that I guess but it’s safer at least.

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Just for the record, in the US at least, you ARE allowed to discriminate based on sex when you're renting to someone who will share common areas with you (i.e., housemates, boarders, etc.). And people seeking shared housing (say, students) can insist on same-sex housemates.

If you want details or clarifications, ask a lawyer in your area, but generally anti-discrimination rules that apply to landlords renting out a house they don't live in do not apply to people renting out shared spaces. Not even in San Francisco:

https://homeguides.sfgate.com/renting-shared-house-can-landlord-specify-gender-renter-want-93026.html

[–] sarstan 23 points Edited

Where I live in Canada, the rental legislation applies when you rent out a room, and the human rights legislation applies to rentals. Under the human rights legislation, you cannot discriminate against someone based on gender identity. it has not been tested yet in court from what I know, but in theory, you are no longer allowed to reject a man who says he's a woman on that basis if you are a woman renting out a room. Unintended consequences of self-id.

Wonder if you can still discriminate against them based on SEX. You could say, "Oh I've got no problem with 'her' gender identity! I'm happy to rent to people with a female gender identity or a male one or nonbinary! As long as they're of the female sex, I've got no concerns whatsoever about gender identity."

I certainly hope someone does that soon. (As long as your human rights legislation still has sex as a protected characteristic).

Can you just say they have a difficult personality? I would, in fact, reject a possible roommate who was female, my exact religion/ethnicity, and voted exactly the same way as I did if I just found her annoying as fuck. I'm fairly sure I could establish in a five minute screening call that a TIM would be annoying as fuck too.

Yeah, this is what I would do to, never say it's because they're a TIM. Just be vague and say, "sorry, I found someone else". It's really hard to prove discrimination even against huge landlords that are renting out entire apartments because so many people get turned down all the time. You have to look at years of data to detect a pattern, there's no way any of us will rent rooms in our homes to hundreds of people in our lifetimes.

It is insane that they can legislate who a person is allow to let live in their own home with them! I'm surprised Yaniv never tried that grift

They're already legislating on what words are allowed to come out of one's mouth

And what happens when the market is oversaturated, like 120 people want a room, where I live we are in that situation. how do they prove is bc of that? bc of discrimination? not bc they were 119 other people. We're in renting hell, old contracts are like 2 or 3 times less than new ones and people are beginning to offer a 1/6th of a room or halfa a kitchen.

I don't know if it's the same in BC, but I would tread very carefully until I found that out. They would prove it by saying how you acted and what you said, wording in emails, how they were treated vs. other people possibly. It would be hard to prove, in my mind, but the world is bananas right now and trans people are more sacred than Jesus, so you never know.

This makes me laugh because 20 years ago I tried to rent out to "women only" - dudes would call constantly! "Yeah, but I'm totally different from other guys". Now they have a real excuse. Bleh.

Make a rule that you must speak to the individual on the phone herself, so he can't have someone else call.

Then, state that you will interview the top three candidates in person (and show the place), in case the first one falls through. He'll never know that he was never being considered. A good friend of mine did this for her garage apartment.

[–] DonnaFemina 6 points Edited

ONTARIO UPDATE! YOU CAN CHOOSE WHO YOU WANT TO SHARE YOUR HOME WITH:

"The right to be free from discrimination in housing does not apply if you share housing and a bathroom or kitchen facility with the owner or the owner’s family." https://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/part-i-%E2%80%93-freedom-discrimination/housing-4

HOWEVER, it also says, "The right to be free from discrimination based on sex does not apply to residences that are male-only or female-only. An owner of a residence can restrict access to that residence to men only or women only. Trans people should be provided access to these residences in accordance with their lived gender identity."

So if you own a place and are looking to rent out a room, or a part of your home that shares a kitchen with you or your family, you can do as you please. However, apparently a "female-only" residence where nobody living there is an owner or a member of the owner's family has to let trans women in. Unless of course the trans person's credit history, personality, pet-owner status etc. etc. makes them not a fit.

This is good advice!

What are some other good screening options to help weed out potential problem makers? I have property in a major college town I am about to rent out and I want to make sure that I don't have to worry about any entitled male lunacy.

[–] Tiramisuomi 11 points Edited

Awesome tip, thanks! I both hope (to be that affluent) and don't hope (this bullshit) to ever needs it, haha

This is a brilliant strategy. It sucks that she has to do it. But thank you for sharing this advice

In the UK you can rent a room to women only, if you also live in the house.