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Because many TiMs are now claiming to be "female" these days and continue to complain about "reducing people to their genitals" or say stupid things like "well what about someone who's had a hysterectomy? are they no longer a woman?", I've come up with another definition of "woman" (and, in a way, "womanhood") that references sex without directly referencing to sex.

Woman = someone who grows up conscious of the ever-present threats of rape and unwanted pregnancy, and whose worldview and behaviors are forever altered because of those threats.

Womanhood = the global understanding and shared experience women have as a result of those threats

Because many TiMs are now claiming to be "female" these days and continue to complain about "reducing people to their genitals" or say stupid things like "well what about someone who's had a hysterectomy? are they no longer a woman?", I've come up with another definition of "woman" (and, in a way, "womanhood") that references sex without directly referencing to sex. Woman = someone who grows up conscious of the ever-present threats of rape and unwanted pregnancy, and whose worldview and behaviors are forever altered because of those threats. Womanhood = the global understanding and shared experience women have as a result of those threats

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But the dictionary definition of woman - adult human female - does not reduce women to our genitals! That's just gender identity ideology malarkey. Being female is a matter of genetics, DNA. Women's female DNA is in every nucleated cell in our bodies - not just in our genitals.

Moreover, the true meaning of the word genitals doesn't even include what I consider to be the primary female sex organs - the ovaries.

The Latin term genitalia, sometimes anglicized as genitals, is used to describe the externally visible sex organs: in male mammals, the penis and scrotum; and in female mammals, the vulva and its organs.

Only the male gonads are part of the genitals. The female gonads are internal organs. The belief that that human sex = the genitals aka "what's in your pants" is something males came up with and indicates a very male or male-centric POV.

Woman = someone who grows up conscious of the ever-present threats of rape and unwanted pregnancy, and whose worldview and behaviors are forever altered because of those threats.

Many women didn't grow up consciously feeling /thinking that rape and unwanted pregnancy were "ever-present threats," though. I doubt Queen Elizabeth felt/thought this, for example. Even women who in our youth did worry about unwanted pregnancies, go through pregnancy scares, and had firsthand experience being raped did not usually grow up feeling/thinking that rape and unwanted pregnancies were "ever-present threats." I would have gone out of my mind if I thought/felt that way all my formative years. Even now, I refuse to regard my life and other women's lives solely through the lens of all the bad things that have happened and can happen to us.

So anyways, pegging the definition of woman to the notion that all women have the same exact kind of conscious awareness and focus is gonna automatically eliminate a whole lot of the world's women.

Basing the definition of woman growing up with and having on any kind of consciousness also ignores that there are girls and women born with severely limited intellects and awareness - and also women and girls who've spent a good deal of life in comas, CO2 narcosis, drink or drug-induced stupors, vegetative states due to illness, head injuries, stroke etc. It also ignores that a lot of older women can't recall what they were conscious of growing up because of dementia. And coz of the forgetfulness and change of perspective that comes with aging.

We are all just as much women when we are unconscious, asleep and unaware as when we are awake, alert and with our brains fully functioning. None of should be defined solely by the threats we face and have thought about.

I don't think it's good to define us by our vulnerability to rape. And the TIMs would undoubtedly claim that they are afraid of rape too.

We shouldn't be changing any definitions. Hold your ground.

I don't think this definition would appease TRAs. It's also not factually correct. If a girl was raised on an island somewhere and had never heard of rape, she would still be female.

Plus not all women raised in regular society grow up very conscious of rape or unwanted pregnancy.

[–] hmimperialtortie AGP = evil 4 points Edited

Precisely. I didn’t grow up that way. The risks of and/or pregnancy weren’t on my radar at all until I was an adult. And by the time I was 18 I was on the Pill, so unwanted pregnancy wasn’t something I feared at all.

Yeah, I've never worried about rape or pregnancy. Maybe I have a false sense of security, but I've never felt sexually threatened by a man, and while I know pregnancy is a possible result of sex, I've never had any big scares. Ironically, right after Roe v. Wade was overturned, my period decided to be 3 weeks late for no reason. Weird, but I decided I wasn't going to worry unless I missed two periods.

[–] hmimperialtortie AGP = evil 0 points

I’ve only had a couple of times where a random man gave me cause for concern, and none in my limited social life or work acquaintances. I’ve never had sex, so worrying about it in any other context just didn’t happen. Closest I’ve come to thinking about it is having left-field answers ready when the rare random woman has trotted out the “But don’t you want baybeeeees?” line when I told them there wasn’t a man alive I was interested in.

[–] Lipsy i/just/can't 9 points Edited

Woman = someone who grows up conscious of the ever-present threats of rape and unwanted pregnancy, and whose worldview and behaviors are forever altered because of those threats.

These are important as some of the many, many reasons why TIMs can't claim Womanness in the rearview mirror, so to speak. These are deeply formative experiences that male people will very very rarely (threat of rape) or never ever (threat of unwanted pregnancy) undergo, leading to more layers of differences than may necessarily be 'inherent', insofar as we can define inherent.

As a DEFINITION though? Good god no.

First of all that's bleak as fuck. What'd be the goal/checkpoint after a yearslong stages-of-grief type reckoning with trauma? We'd then arrive at self-actualization as.... kinda nothing, and maybe even having LOST "authentic Womanhood" to exactly the degree we come to grips with it in our own ways?
If that's a long-term 'growth' experience, or 'character development', what is grown? What is developed? The tentative definition here gives us nothing.

Jeez, no thanks. If anything I see it as almost photo negative... Women are strong and resilient as hell, and the essence of Womanhood is the part that trauma can etch or scar, but can't erase, and leaves us richer in wisdom and stories to share with those who'll give the time and attention.
Womanhood is aspirational. Women are aspirational. Woman is what's still there when those difficulties and traumas burn the superficial parts away.

There's also the larger-level absurdity here: Feminism is the sum total of everything aimed at eradicating threats to the Female sex class and improving our own position overall.
If Women are literally defined by the depth of oppression itself, then the immediately direct conclusion is that the more successful feminism is, the more it will literally erase Womanhood. •______• I'm gna take that as proof we've got the wrong definition here.

Oh, agreed.

I didn't elaborate as much as I could, since I wanted to keep it at a shower thoughts level. Adult human female = the definition.

But also threats aren't necessarily trauma. It's just sort of a reality that is. Men don't have to worry about getting pregnant. Ever. And that shapes them just like it shapes us. It shapes us even if we discover we can't get pregnant later. And it's a formative mental shaping that no TiM can ever experience. And is therefore a barrier between us and them.

...is closer to where I think I was trying to go with that.

Why do they bring up hysterectomies? It's a female experience only a woman can go through. Men can't have a hysterectomy. These dudes are so stupid. They also bring up menopause. Only a woman can be postmenopausal, it's a woman thing, assholes.

I always say an Adult human female.

Someone who’s biology is organised around the production of large, immobile gamites

Someone with no Y chromosome.

[–] Dee 3 points

I don't believe this is a viable definition of "woman", but I do believe it's what causes, consciously or not, many TIFs to be TIFs. We have to do better than this, as women. If our young girls think this is what womanhood is all about, they'll want out.

They can claim to be women and female all they like but they are neither of those things so there is no need to change the meaning of those words. If we allow them to redefine words we will find the next one they go after will be changing no to mean yes.