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I met a MtF this past week who had it all done. Long hair, tasteful make up, large breasts, vaginoplasty (it was a clothing optional event - gods save my eyes)...and I clocked that dude from a mile away.

Although I know it to be true, it just reinforced that passing is simply not possible. You can mutilate yourself till the cows come home, and your voice, manly brow ridge, eye shape, shoulders, arms, back, straight waist, hips, mannerisms and leg musculature...it's all man baby. There's no getting around it. Online filters make it possible, but in real life? Please.

I'd also like to add that out of all the MtFs I've had the misfortune of knowing in real life, he was probably one of the closet to 'passing', and still, the end result of that suffering? We can all still tell.

When I read through MtF boards, their claims that 'no one knows the difference' becomes that much more bizarre. Lies lies and damned lies.

I met a MtF this past week who had it all done. Long hair, tasteful make up, large breasts, vaginoplasty (it was a clothing optional event - gods save my eyes)...and I clocked that dude from a mile away. Although I know it to be true, it just reinforced that passing is simply not possible. You can mutilate yourself till the cows come home, and your voice, manly brow ridge, eye shape, shoulders, arms, back, straight waist, hips, mannerisms and leg musculature...it's all man baby. There's no getting around it. Online filters make it possible, but in real life? Please. I'd also like to add that out of all the MtFs I've had the misfortune of knowing in real life, he was probably one of the closet to 'passing', and still, the end result of that suffering? We can all still tell. When I read through MtF boards, their claims that 'no one knows the difference' becomes that much more bizarre. Lies lies and damned lies.

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[–] Luckystar 63 points Edited

I say this constantly. It's so obvious the people with the "But we can't keep men out of women's spaces without muh genital checks" arguments are either completely, full on flat earth levels of denial, or they're the ones who don't actually know any transgender people IRL.

I deal with TIPs daily and identifying sex is NEVER an issue. Ironically, it's the opposite -- I have no way of knowing if any random given man is just a man with long hair vs a man who calls himself a woman, until they open their mouths and prattle on about their pronouns and identities.

Determining sex is easy; it's whether or not any given person identifies transgender or not which is impossible to determine. Even moreso in recent years with the 99% gender conforming "enbies"

This is a really good point--determining someone's 'gender' now is what's impossible to do. I'm a woman who apparently to some people 'presents masculine'; this was never a problem until gender ideology became the state religion, now it can be a significant social issue when people react to me with wariness, uncertainty or caution.

Yup, now anyone who's remotely androgynous is assumed to be some kind of gender person. Sorry you're dealing with that.

the "But we can't keep men out of women's spaces without muh genital checks" argument

The elephant in the room is that the battle over bathroom policies (pro and against) exists precisely because they don't pass (without the merest glance toward the genitals).

If hordes of MtFs were passing, it would never occur to anyone that they were even there.

this reminds me of an experience I had recently that drove me to reflect on the insidiousness of this stuff.

I was at the mall, doing some shopping, and a group of teenagers passed me. It's the mall, it's back to school season, it's normal.

The teens were two girls and one boy, all in gothy, punked-out alt styles. And I immediately recoiled a bit about the TIM, and thought to myself that those girls probably do so much coddling and emotional labor for him.

And then I thought to myself, wait a minute, I'm assuming that boy is a TIM. He could just be a goth kid. In my day, all the goth kids wore makeup and jewelry, regardless of their sex.

Then I felt a bit bad about assuming. Because I don't actually have a problem with goth kids or teens wearing clothes and styles meant for the opposite sex....once upon a time, I was a goth kid. And I thought to myself, is this what the gender woo has done to us? Made us assume anybody who looks a bit gender nonconforming is a TIP of some type?

Maybe it's conspiratorial, but I wondered if trans is just a big psyop to push us into gender conformity.

Or maybe he was just a goth kid hanging out at the mall with his friends.

[–] Luckystar 6 points Edited

Yes, I have this problem too. Used to have no issue with GNC men but now certain "tells" instinctively make me leery. Like a choker necklace or striped socks. It's really unfortunate but I err on the side of caution now. Just another thing TRAs ruined imo.

But ironically I would say moreso that there are people I would literally have no idea would identify as transgender until they say so. Especially TIFs, especially the "enbies", but not exclusively.

I am in a class with a lesbian/bi woman(she's introduced her gf) with a short haircut who just straight up refers to herself as he/him and a man. No testosterone beard, no double mastectomy etc --which is obviously a good thing for her health, but still really hammers home the point there's no way to tell if somebody identifies as transgender. I would never in a million years think this woman thought of herself as a man if she didn't say as such.

It's like ma'am has anybody told you in your life that women are allowed to have short haircuts and wear slacks these days?

Yeah TIFs can be way harder to clock, but that doesn't matter. We are only trying to keep men out of women's spaces. if TIFs want to go into the men's I do not care.

[–] no- 8 points

Exactly. TIFs aren’t a problem, they’re not dangerous to other women like men are. Put them in men’s sport teams and prisons, see how that goes for them.

Ironically, it's the opposite -- I have no way of knowing if any random given man is just a man with long hair vs a man who calls himself a woman, until they open their mouths and prattle on about their pronouns and identities.

This so much. At this point when I see a dude with long hair out and about and might have to interact with him, that's a slightly back of the head nagging doubt because I don't know if he not only expects me to pretend he's a woman, but also believes he passes and will throw a tantrum if he figures out he's been "clocked."

Now be me hanging around metal heads a lot.

My partner has had very long hair for decades. Starting around 4 years ago, woke women started addressing him as ma'am or asked how he identifies, there isn't anything even remotely androgynous or feminine about his appearance or dress, so they're just responding to his hair. He didn't understand what was going on until I explained trans and gender ideology to him. In response, he kept his hair long and grew a huge beard instead. I now live with Rasputin.

I saw a man like that recently, he told the whole train wagon, it was a 2 m high man.