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I met a MtF this past week who had it all done. Long hair, tasteful make up, large breasts, vaginoplasty (it was a clothing optional event - gods save my eyes)...and I clocked that dude from a mile away.

Although I know it to be true, it just reinforced that passing is simply not possible. You can mutilate yourself till the cows come home, and your voice, manly brow ridge, eye shape, shoulders, arms, back, straight waist, hips, mannerisms and leg musculature...it's all man baby. There's no getting around it. Online filters make it possible, but in real life? Please.

I'd also like to add that out of all the MtFs I've had the misfortune of knowing in real life, he was probably one of the closet to 'passing', and still, the end result of that suffering? We can all still tell.

When I read through MtF boards, their claims that 'no one knows the difference' becomes that much more bizarre. Lies lies and damned lies.

I met a MtF this past week who had it all done. Long hair, tasteful make up, large breasts, vaginoplasty (it was a clothing optional event - gods save my eyes)...and I clocked that dude from a mile away. Although I know it to be true, it just reinforced that passing is simply not possible. You can mutilate yourself till the cows come home, and your voice, manly brow ridge, eye shape, shoulders, arms, back, straight waist, hips, mannerisms and leg musculature...it's all man baby. There's no getting around it. Online filters make it possible, but in real life? Please. I'd also like to add that out of all the MtFs I've had the misfortune of knowing in real life, he was probably one of the closet to 'passing', and still, the end result of that suffering? We can all still tell. When I read through MtF boards, their claims that 'no one knows the difference' becomes that much more bizarre. Lies lies and damned lies.

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[–] Luckystar 63 points Edited

I say this constantly. It's so obvious the people with the "But we can't keep men out of women's spaces without muh genital checks" arguments are either completely, full on flat earth levels of denial, or they're the ones who don't actually know any transgender people IRL.

I deal with TIPs daily and identifying sex is NEVER an issue. Ironically, it's the opposite -- I have no way of knowing if any random given man is just a man with long hair vs a man who calls himself a woman, until they open their mouths and prattle on about their pronouns and identities.

Determining sex is easy; it's whether or not any given person identifies transgender or not which is impossible to determine. Even moreso in recent years with the 99% gender conforming "enbies"

Yeah TIFs can be way harder to clock, but that doesn't matter. We are only trying to keep men out of women's spaces. if TIFs want to go into the men's I do not care.

[–] no- 8 points

Exactly. TIFs aren’t a problem, they’re not dangerous to other women like men are. Put them in men’s sport teams and prisons, see how that goes for them.