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I met a MtF this past week who had it all done. Long hair, tasteful make up, large breasts, vaginoplasty (it was a clothing optional event - gods save my eyes)...and I clocked that dude from a mile away.

Although I know it to be true, it just reinforced that passing is simply not possible. You can mutilate yourself till the cows come home, and your voice, manly brow ridge, eye shape, shoulders, arms, back, straight waist, hips, mannerisms and leg musculature...it's all man baby. There's no getting around it. Online filters make it possible, but in real life? Please.

I'd also like to add that out of all the MtFs I've had the misfortune of knowing in real life, he was probably one of the closet to 'passing', and still, the end result of that suffering? We can all still tell.

When I read through MtF boards, their claims that 'no one knows the difference' becomes that much more bizarre. Lies lies and damned lies.

I met a MtF this past week who had it all done. Long hair, tasteful make up, large breasts, vaginoplasty (it was a clothing optional event - gods save my eyes)...and I clocked that dude from a mile away. Although I know it to be true, it just reinforced that passing is simply not possible. You can mutilate yourself till the cows come home, and your voice, manly brow ridge, eye shape, shoulders, arms, back, straight waist, hips, mannerisms and leg musculature...it's all man baby. There's no getting around it. Online filters make it possible, but in real life? Please. I'd also like to add that out of all the MtFs I've had the misfortune of knowing in real life, he was probably one of the closet to 'passing', and still, the end result of that suffering? We can all still tell. When I read through MtF boards, their claims that 'no one knows the difference' becomes that much more bizarre. Lies lies and damned lies.

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this reminds me of an experience I had recently that drove me to reflect on the insidiousness of this stuff.

I was at the mall, doing some shopping, and a group of teenagers passed me. It's the mall, it's back to school season, it's normal.

The teens were two girls and one boy, all in gothy, punked-out alt styles. And I immediately recoiled a bit about the TIM, and thought to myself that those girls probably do so much coddling and emotional labor for him.

And then I thought to myself, wait a minute, I'm assuming that boy is a TIM. He could just be a goth kid. In my day, all the goth kids wore makeup and jewelry, regardless of their sex.

Then I felt a bit bad about assuming. Because I don't actually have a problem with goth kids or teens wearing clothes and styles meant for the opposite sex....once upon a time, I was a goth kid. And I thought to myself, is this what the gender woo has done to us? Made us assume anybody who looks a bit gender nonconforming is a TIP of some type?

Maybe it's conspiratorial, but I wondered if trans is just a big psyop to push us into gender conformity.

Or maybe he was just a goth kid hanging out at the mall with his friends.

[–] Luckystar 6 points Edited

Yes, I have this problem too. Used to have no issue with GNC men but now certain "tells" instinctively make me leery. Like a choker necklace or striped socks. It's really unfortunate but I err on the side of caution now. Just another thing TRAs ruined imo.

But ironically I would say moreso that there are people I would literally have no idea would identify as transgender until they say so. Especially TIFs, especially the "enbies", but not exclusively.

I am in a class with a lesbian/bi woman(she's introduced her gf) with a short haircut who just straight up refers to herself as he/him and a man. No testosterone beard, no double mastectomy etc --which is obviously a good thing for her health, but still really hammers home the point there's no way to tell if somebody identifies as transgender. I would never in a million years think this woman thought of herself as a man if she didn't say as such.

It's like ma'am has anybody told you in your life that women are allowed to have short haircuts and wear slacks these days?