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I met a MtF this past week who had it all done. Long hair, tasteful make up, large breasts, vaginoplasty (it was a clothing optional event - gods save my eyes)...and I clocked that dude from a mile away.

Although I know it to be true, it just reinforced that passing is simply not possible. You can mutilate yourself till the cows come home, and your voice, manly brow ridge, eye shape, shoulders, arms, back, straight waist, hips, mannerisms and leg musculature...it's all man baby. There's no getting around it. Online filters make it possible, but in real life? Please.

I'd also like to add that out of all the MtFs I've had the misfortune of knowing in real life, he was probably one of the closet to 'passing', and still, the end result of that suffering? We can all still tell.

When I read through MtF boards, their claims that 'no one knows the difference' becomes that much more bizarre. Lies lies and damned lies.

I met a MtF this past week who had it all done. Long hair, tasteful make up, large breasts, vaginoplasty (it was a clothing optional event - gods save my eyes)...and I clocked that dude from a mile away. Although I know it to be true, it just reinforced that passing is simply not possible. You can mutilate yourself till the cows come home, and your voice, manly brow ridge, eye shape, shoulders, arms, back, straight waist, hips, mannerisms and leg musculature...it's all man baby. There's no getting around it. Online filters make it possible, but in real life? Please. I'd also like to add that out of all the MtFs I've had the misfortune of knowing in real life, he was probably one of the closet to 'passing', and still, the end result of that suffering? We can all still tell. When I read through MtF boards, their claims that 'no one knows the difference' becomes that much more bizarre. Lies lies and damned lies.

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Agree. I was at a conference over the past several days with a huge number of trans attendees. Nobody even achieved sexual ambiguity. It was immediately obvious -- with no conscious thought on my part -- who was male and who was female.

I hear a lot of lovely women on this site saying that TiFs pass sometimes, but honestly, I see far more TiFs in public than TiMs...they are EVERYWHERE so I'm curious how many I'm missing if they can evidently pass so well. Even the ones you don't pick up on right away, once you talk a bit to them, it's apparent. Their voice is off and even their personality can be telling (like the one at Target who apologizes too much. I'm like, girl, we don't need to say we're sorry all the time, that's just your female socialization telling on you.)

I think the facial hair can really throw people with TiFs. Also, if TiFs are very dedicated and pump themselves full of enough testosterone they gain masculine muscle mass, although they can't change their skeletal structure of course. I do agree, though, it's almost impossible to change the way they emote or the cadence of their voice (see Buck Angel).

Online filters make it possible, but in real life? Please.

Seriously. Occasionally I'll see one that seems to pass in a selfie, but of course selfies distort our faces slightly due to the angle, focal length, arm length, etc. I find that if I go find a photo of them from another angle (like a mirror pic, or a pic taken by someone else) they look totally different, clearly like an effeminate man. Offline they are still so clockable.

I remember Rhys McKinnon aka Rachel McKinnon, aka Veronica Ivy saying that his gynecologist couldn't tell that he had a neovag and totally thought that he was a natal woman. Press X to doubt, but even if that did happen, it just goes to show that being polite and playing along with their delusions only reinforces their fetish and encourages bad behavior.

Yes, they are all in complete denial that the manhole opening is in the wrong place…

Holy hell, I can’t imagine a surprise view of a pseudovag in the wild.

At the work checkpoint the other day, I was in my car, in a heavy jacket over a hoodie. The guard said “good morning, sir.” Because I am not an unhinged lunatic, I said absolutely nothing and kept driving. Do you think they know that’s an option?

I see them a lot. They don't pass. I know they know I know.

One of my favorite pastimes is to look through the accounts of men who claim they pass. Long story short, all of them are delusional. Some are trolls using pictures of women. Some of them are using filters that change their sex. Most post unfiltered pictures of a man in a dress with bad makeup.

Lol I like doing this too. I remember one particularly cocky tim was going on about how all the other trans women and real women were jealous of him for his looks. When I clicked on his profile he just looked like like a regular chubby shaggy-haired dude.

Okay, I have to ask, what was this "clothing optional event"? I'm having a rough Monday and need something spicy to get me through 😂

But yeah, I've met a few TIFs who are pretty passing when dressed strategically, TIMs are so obvious. Even when I'm trying to use their preferred pronouns because I'm in a tricky social situation I can't really manage it, everything just screams "man". This is why it pisses me off so much that they refer to lesbians as "genital fetishists". Like yeah, I don't want to interact with your dick, but the dick isn't the problem, the problem is you're a man! Every single part of their body, their voice, their scent, and their entitled male behavior is a turn off for me. We're never going to get to the point where anyone's pants are off, I'm already not interested! I feel so bad for the younger girls who are trying to push past their repulsion and hook up with these dudes to prove that they're nice people.

I saw two MtFs at the bar yesterday, watching the football game. They're proliferating!

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