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It's not body shaming for the simple fact that that is not his body.

[–] SecondSkin 41 points Edited

It’s fetish shaming.

And we all should be shaming anyone using children in their fetish, or performing their fetish in public.

There is some qualitative data about how shame and social stigma stands in the way of peadophiles acting on their paraphilia, iirc. Obviously doesn’t inhibit enough of them, but some to an extent. And we have no way of knowing how bad it would be without.

Take away appropriate shame for the paraphilias that are harmful or about making others uncomfortable or about publicly doing that or about children in any way, and society is facilitating the fetish. The institution is grooming all children.

That is shameful.

Any muppet who claims that’s body shaming needs to give themselves a groomer of the week gold star.

And fetishes tend to escalate. Once the predator has transgressed certain boundaries for a while, he no longer gets the same thrill out of it. So pushes boundaries further and further and further. If anything not being given boundaries in this instance, is likely to increase his escalation quicker. I’m loath to suggest anyone but a predator is responsible for their actions. But the school are responsible for not safeguarding children and for grooming them and facilitating his fetish, at least.

How long until they openly add a slogan along the lines of "Fetish is fundamental to our identities!" to the usual TWAW and "Sex work is real work"?

[–] goodyusername Team Terflair 23 points

She's really getting it on Twitter.

Exhibitionism is one of the coercive paraphilias (which are generally lifelong, according to Dr. Soh’s research). It is coercive because lack of consent is exactly what is desired. Lack of consent is the point. Lack of consent is the actual fetish. Lack of consent IS the turn-on.

Is everyone on crack right now or what? The absolute jumping-through-hoops that is going on in this planet at this time over this issue is leaving me astonished.

[–] SlowCollapse 8 points Edited

You don't need crack when you've got social media and online porn. And seemingly anime (or its pornified spin-offs) is becoming part of the problem, too.

[–] GCRadFem 45 points

Ontario teacher’s prosthetic bust offers a lesson about body shaming

Give me a break. That lunatic and his gigantic, fake cartoon breasts and fake nipples are not even in the same universe as body shaming girls or women.

Oh please, please, let sanity return to earth.

Most will be familiar with the following scenario: a young girl, a teen or tween, gets in trouble with her school’s administration for a dress-code violation. Her supposed crime against decency: looking provocative. It will turn out that the girl was wearing some normal teenager outfit, jeans and a T-shirt or something equally boring, but had the audacity to attend school in a body with breasts, hips and a post-pubescent-looking behind.

Oh, come on. Bicycle shorts and sheer, tight tops are not "jeans and a t-shirt". Breast forms are not breasts, especially when they're fetish gear purchased from a sex shop.

A girl with womanly physical features is still a child. She is not choosing to draw attention to herself simply by existing. It’s the fault of the adults around her for sexualizing her.

"Kayla" Lemieux is not a girl. He's an adult man. He hasn't had the misfortune to develop large breasts and wide hips as a young teen. He's made the choice to wear fetish gear out in public because he hopes he will be sexualized--by both the kids and the adults around him.

Is it fair to say that a transgender teacher really chose to have large breasts, any more than that a young cisgender girl chose her own physique?

YES! He literally chose it. He went to a website that sold sex toys, perused several different breast forms, and chose a cartoonishly huge set with prominent nipples.

Now, is it traumatizing to high school students to have a teacher who looks the way she does? I suspect not. They’re teenagers, and to them, adults simply seem old.

Believe me, girls are well aware that people, usually men, can be both old and sexually inappropriate. If they're lucky that lesson gets put off until ten or eleven, but not much longer than that.

I cannot imagine the teacher will inspire her students to sport enormous faux bosoms

Not the issue. So not the issue.

It feels like the progressive thing to do is to support this teacher’s right to self-present in the classroom as she does, or at least to honour her side in the matter. But there’s something about treating her decision to wear enormous fake breasts to class as a reasonable form of self-expression that makes a mockery of countless young girls who’ve been told at school that their bodies – developing bodies they themselves are still getting used to – are a distraction.

So...it's decided? We going to "honour" this forty-something man's "right to self-present" as niche porn over teenage girls' right to feel safe and respected at school?

I just can't emphasize enough how comparing an adult, male teacher who insists on wearing fetish gear around minors to a teenage girl whose body is changing rapidly is false equivalence. It's unfair, disingenuous, and bad faith. He's old enough to know better. Sure, teenage girls often go through phases where they experiment with tacky or revealing clothes. It's because they don't have the experience or maturity to dress appropriately for the occasion. Teachers are supposed to be good examples. Just think of what message his antics are sending kids.

Is it fair to say that a transgender teacher really chose to have large breasts, any more than that a young cisgender girl chose her own physique?

I can hardly believe I read that in a so-called respectable paper like the G&S. If I'm reading her right, she means this guy can't be held responsible for the gender image of himself in his mind: he "identifies" as an absurdly large-breasted woman so that's what he must become to be "true to himself", and that there's no difference between him ordering hentai sized silicon breasts from a sex shop and a teenage girl's body growing its own breasts!!!!!

What next? How much further down this insane rabbit hole can we go?

I keep thinking we've hit rock bottom, but there's always more. I genuinely think most people do not want the legal system to force children and adults to validate and participate in this madness. The state of institutional capture is so extensive, though, that sometimes I fear it doesn't actually matter what the peasants want.

The act of trying to be very inclusive is somehow tied to shutting down the brain it seems.

There's a notorious man who runs around New York City in women's lingerie. He used to be mocked and criticized (which he enjoyed, because that is his fetish). I guess now he would be called she and "stunning, brave and valid!". https://images.app.goo.gl/5sWmmkK1tqLNrHdZA

Good lord, that man is hideous!

This journalist is conflating sexual orientation, gender identity, and gender non-conformity as though they are just different presentations of the same thing, which is why the article bobs and weaves around the issue but ultimately goes nowhere. She seems fearful of coming to the natural conclusion that this male teacher is parading his fetish in front of children and it has nothing to do with sexual orientation, gender identity, or gender non-conformity at all.

I agree with your sentiments about body shaming of girls, but I take issue with these statements:

Here’s what is not a problem: the existence of transgender teachers. In the 1990s, when I went to school in New York, I had plenty of gender nonconforming teachers, most if not all of whom were openly gay or lesbian. This was absolutely fine, as I recall, with everyone in our community. Conflating LGBT identity with inappropriateness or, as in conservative parlance, “grooming,” is bigoted and cruel, as well as simply a category error.

Gender non conformity is throwing off gender expectations. It is NOT the same as gender ideology that stereotypes people into regressive gender boxes. Furthermore, LGB are orientations, not gender identities.

I cannot imagine the teacher will inspire her students to sport enormous faux bosoms

We've never had a problem of women and girls getting abnormally large breast implants (this is fringe and nowhere near the magnitude what this guy did). We do have a problem with girls with large chests being ashamed of their bodies. That guy is not helping this matter.

Now, is it traumatizing to high school students to have a teacher who looks the way she does? I suspect not. They’re teenagers, and to them, adults simply seem old.

and then later you say

It feels like the progressive thing to do is to support this teacher’s right to self-present in the classroom as she does, or at least to honour her side in the matter. But there’s something about treating her decision to wear enormous fake breasts to class as a reasonable form of self-expression that makes a mockery of countless young girls who’ve been told at school that their bodies – developing bodies they themselves are still getting used to – are a distraction.

It is absolutely HARMFUL. It is a misogynistic interpretation of the female body and is very offensive. Teenage girls are most susceptible to body dysphoria and hating their own body. I can't imagine accepting my own breasts if I knew that they were used to dehumanize me and that the authority figures condoned the act. Furthermore, this is sexual abuse of both boys and girls. Fetish gear are sex toys, and sex toys are never to be shared with minors.

HE CHOSE to do this. This is indefensible.

The students may not understand the complexity of what is being done to them, but when they grow up, many will read self help books on boundaries and they will understand how the adults' hesitance to act was disgusting, and the gaslighting and the eroding of their boundaries as egregious.

[–] NoDayForADo 8 points Edited

Most will be familiar with the following scenario: a young girl, a teen or tween, gets in trouble with her school’s administration for a dress-code violation. Her supposed crime against decency: looking provocative. It will turn out that the girl was wearing some normal teenager outfit, jeans and a T-shirt or something equally boring, but had the audacity to attend school in a body with breasts, hips and a post-pubescent-looking behind. Cue the feminist outrage, and rightly so. A girl with womanly physical features is still a child. She is not choosing to draw attention to herself simply by existing. It’s the fault of the adults around her for sexualizing her.

Referring to something as "_____ shaming" is the woke method of shutting down discourse when they have no better talking points. It's unkind. You don't want to be unkind, do you???

This is the Lia Thomas argument all over again, trying to make a man's struggles the same as out struggles so we don't dare voice any objections. "Women athletes are judged for their bodies! We need to come together, girls, and stop allowing others to trash women for how they look! We can't all have perfect bodies and that's OK!" Except... Thomas's body wasn't being judged because it was a woman's body. It was being judged because it was NOT a woman's body. He may not have chosen to have the body that he had but he DID choose to put that body in a swimming pool with women and it is dehumanizing to ask us to simply ignore the differences and benefits his body gave him.

Dress codes DO disproportionately impact girls. Fashions, from an early age, tend towards the revealing, the tight, the sheer. Simply trying to find clothes in dress code in a normal store is a lot harder on the girls side than the boys side. Very few things on the boys' side will require any consideration; on the girls' side you may need to considering layering or extreme weather in order for something to work. Many schools ban leggings for girls, with no exceptions, indicating that a girl's very shape is in and of itself a problem. Most women and girls wear leggings for comfort, not to be provocative. Finding structured pants as a female is more stressful than some of us care to deal with.

But girls are being penalized for their shape which they have no control over. Fat or thin, curvy or built like a ruler, to a large extent a kid is shaped how they are shaped. It is degrading and humiliating to tell a girl the body she ended up with is not acceptable for public viewing. Even if a girl was sent home for an outfit like this, she could do nothing about the body under the outfit. This man CHOSE to wear these ginormous breasts to school. He has no idea what it is like to ACTUALLY live under the weight of 26 pounds of flesh hanging off the front of his body. He can take them off and put them on as he pleases. That is the difference.

To a girl naturally "gifted" large breasts, this is the sort of thing other kids do to mock her.

This is not some transgender-inspired spin on The Metamorphosis where Gregor Samsa wakes one morning to find himself inexplicably transformed into a huge set of mammaries and subsequently struggles to adjust to this new condition. This is a CHOICE.

I can’t believe people are defending that fucking pervert.

Literally all perverts have to do is play the gender identity game for people go to bat for them, and they know this. Ugh.

And damn, I am getting really depressed about the fact -- now backed up by lots and lots of polling including in my Western but not American country -- that women i.e. handmaidens support this crap more than men do ... and write these kinds of articles. What is WRONG with us FFS?

Holy fuck, this is so unhinged. I really want off this planet. I can't believe a woman wrote this article. She is totally blind to all the Malice in Genderland.

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