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When you look at the kind of people who dress in black and hide their faces, they appear neither woke nor antifacist but men with criminal convictions looking for an excuse to cause trouble.

Do you think some of them are paid agents?

I don’t think they’re paid but some action could be the result of outside influence. For example, there are links between Breitbart and other far right actors and Russia. It would make sense that they stir up the other end of the scale as well.