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Abusive men love to use them. I'm sure that somewhere in the spiel about how badly abused he was by her, it's that she literally tried to kill him by continuing to do/refuse to do the thing that he told her he wanted her to do/stop doing or else he would kill himself.

I'm fucking sick of abusive male tactics forcing women into silence. I hate that manipulative suicide threats are working to make people believe that words and radical feminism represent actual, literal violence. It always comes down to suicides when someone really locks them down and asks what exactly they mean when trans lives are at stake. It's never about actual murders, committed overwhelmingly by men. It's always about how we can't even talk about this or they will kill themselves.

Title. Abusive men love to use them. I'm sure that somewhere in the spiel about how badly abused *he* was by *her*, it's that she literally tried to kill him by continuing to do/refuse to do the thing that he told her he wanted her to do/stop doing or else he would kill himself. I'm fucking sick of abusive male tactics forcing women into silence. I hate that manipulative suicide threats are working to make people believe that words and radical feminism represent actual, literal violence. It always comes down to suicides when someone really locks them down and asks what exactly they mean when trans lives are at stake. It's never about actual murders, committed overwhelmingly by men. It's always about how we can't even talk about this or they will kill themselves.

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[–] DonnaFemina 60 points Edited

Right. How is transness the one situation where people consider suicide threats to be a legitimate part of policy debate? I've seen BS like "42% of trans kids who aren't accepted commit suicide," a statistic that of course isn't true, but if it were, the only correct response is, "Oh, so lots of trans kids are mentally ill! They need to be in the psych ward. Meanwhile, let's discuss the trans kids who are NOT suicidal."

Because I mean.... apologies for stealing this idea but I saw on some thread recently (not here, can't remember where) someone asking, "did 42% of the Jews in Nazi concentration camps commit suicide? Did 42% of African slaves in the south?"

Yeah... NO they did NOT. Suicide is not a normal response to oppression, even to extreme oppression.

And what trans kids go through is not even remotely comparable to concentration camps or slavery, so WTF, how is ANYONE not saying "wow, if that many trans kids are threatening suicide, there's clearly something wrong with them" instead of saying "Oh gosh I guess we need to do whatever they want"?

I also saw a fantastic tweet thread, I think in response to that medical student who was spending a day in a gender clinic. And they were saying, the propaganda tries to have it both ways. On the one hand we were told that the number of trans kids is skyrocketing because they have always existed, but were scared to be open about it in the past. So it isn’t a social contagion. On the other hand, not affirming causes children to kill themselves, but clearly the past 500 years are not filled with unaffirmed, in the closet trans kids committing suicide. So … which is it? Most trans people have always lived as their birth sex and done just fine? Or for some strange reason the number of trans people has exploded in the past three years?

On the one hand we were told that the number of trans kids is skyrocketing because they have always existed, but were scared to be open about it in the past. So it isn’t a social contagion. On the other hand, not affirming causes children to kill themselves, but clearly the past 500 years are not filled with unaffirmed, in the closet trans kids committing suicide.

This is proof that the whole thing is bullshit. Child suicide was basically unheard of just a few years ago. Even children in extreme distress usually won't consider it because young kids don't realize it's even an option unless stupid/abusive adults tell them that it is.

If what they say about trans kids in the past is true, than history should be replete with stories of kids killing themselves for seemingly no reason. But child suicide wasn't even an issue until just a few years ago