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Abusive men love to use them. I'm sure that somewhere in the spiel about how badly abused he was by her, it's that she literally tried to kill him by continuing to do/refuse to do the thing that he told her he wanted her to do/stop doing or else he would kill himself.

I'm fucking sick of abusive male tactics forcing women into silence. I hate that manipulative suicide threats are working to make people believe that words and radical feminism represent actual, literal violence. It always comes down to suicides when someone really locks them down and asks what exactly they mean when trans lives are at stake. It's never about actual murders, committed overwhelmingly by men. It's always about how we can't even talk about this or they will kill themselves.

Title. Abusive men love to use them. I'm sure that somewhere in the spiel about how badly abused *he* was by *her*, it's that she literally tried to kill him by continuing to do/refuse to do the thing that he told her he wanted her to do/stop doing or else he would kill himself. I'm fucking sick of abusive male tactics forcing women into silence. I hate that manipulative suicide threats are working to make people believe that words and radical feminism represent actual, literal violence. It always comes down to suicides when someone really locks them down and asks what exactly they mean when trans lives are at stake. It's never about actual murders, committed overwhelmingly by men. It's always about how we can't even talk about this or they will kill themselves.

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I hate it also. In my experience it is a painful, humiliating, and terrifying experience to reveal you have suicidal thoughts; results vary from possible support to outright revulsion. It is so complicated. I can't fathom weaponizing that concept to silence or control someone. Honestly it seems like a uniquely evil thing to do. It requires a person to inflate their worth to such a huge degree that the threat of self-harm would be a terrible loss, and it builds an altar of guilt upon which others are meant to sacrifice themselves. "You don't want to be GUILTY of this! YOU MADE ME DO IT!"

Which is so unlike what suicide actually looks like, from my perspective. Those people I've lost to suicide over the years were not screaming about it. They did not say it was anyone's fault; they didn't say much at all. In those cases, maybe I could say, "Why DIDN'T you scream about this? Why didn't you let me know? Why did you try so hard to protect us from guilt?"

When I felt like it would be easier if I was just not alive anymore, I didn't tell my closest people because I wanted to make them suffer. I wanted to release the thought to someone with a better perspective than I had at that time, so I wouldn't have to carry it alone. And it took me months to do so, because I was so sure the burden of telling someone something so horrifying was too much to ask of anyone. It was isolating. It was scary. It damaged relationships.

These people screaming they'll kill themselves, or that others will kill themselves, and it'll be our fault, for calling them men or keeping them away from our spaces...they hold no water for me. There should be another term for weaponizing threats of suicide against others. It's abusive, it's coercive. It muddies the water for people who need help with real feelings of self-harm--probably including other trans-identified people.

I don't know why this tactic has become acceptable on a wide scale. It's awful.

No thats very right, people who really are suicidal just quietly get on with it, then you have stories in the newspapers of their families saying we had no idea.

often they will act really happy just before they do it as they have made their minds up and feeling relief. I used to know someone with a depressed relative, they had a child and this relative loved baby sitting them and playing with them, then they started acting strangely upbeat, the family was suspicious and didn't let him babysit that time, he wanted to take the kid on a day out. he killed himself on that day out, he left a note at home lamenting how he really wanted to take that child with him so they could both leave this horrible world.

Good lord that is terrifying.

Yep the kid wasn't even school age yet, good job the parents for not trusting why this guy who'd been depressed for years was suddenly so happy.