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Abusive men love to use them. I'm sure that somewhere in the spiel about how badly abused he was by her, it's that she literally tried to kill him by continuing to do/refuse to do the thing that he told her he wanted her to do/stop doing or else he would kill himself.

I'm fucking sick of abusive male tactics forcing women into silence. I hate that manipulative suicide threats are working to make people believe that words and radical feminism represent actual, literal violence. It always comes down to suicides when someone really locks them down and asks what exactly they mean when trans lives are at stake. It's never about actual murders, committed overwhelmingly by men. It's always about how we can't even talk about this or they will kill themselves.

Title. Abusive men love to use them. I'm sure that somewhere in the spiel about how badly abused *he* was by *her*, it's that she literally tried to kill him by continuing to do/refuse to do the thing that he told her he wanted her to do/stop doing or else he would kill himself. I'm fucking sick of abusive male tactics forcing women into silence. I hate that manipulative suicide threats are working to make people believe that words and radical feminism represent actual, literal violence. It always comes down to suicides when someone really locks them down and asks what exactly they mean when trans lives are at stake. It's never about actual murders, committed overwhelmingly by men. It's always about how we can't even talk about this or they will kill themselves.

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If someone tries to manipulate you using the suicide threat, call the cops on them.

If it's real, they'll get the help they need. If it's not, they realize you won't play ball.

This was the beginning of my peaking. My father, who is a cluster B disaster area, consistently used suicide threats to keep my mother and the rest of us in line.

Why would someone oppressed get to flex the tactic of a privileged and powerful abuser?

Once I was finally able to ask myself that question, the peakening began.

[–] RuneOwl 4 points Edited

People who threaten suicide to manipulate and control others (or control a narrative) are abusive. This is not coming from the same place as a genuine cry for help.

I think it’s worth noting that in some cases (more often than you’d think) abusive men who weaponize suicide/self harm actually do go through with it. They will often go out in a way that will cause lasting trauma for the victim, like leaving behind a grisly scene for her to find or even killing himself in front of her. He’ll make sure to leave her in a position where friends and family will blame her for his death and, hopefully, she will be consumed with guilt and misery for the rest of her life. It’s a particularly extreme version of “look what you made me do”.

This happens more commonly in domestic violence situations, but I could see a few unhinged TIMs try and become political martyrs if they felt like it would do enough harm to women’s rights. Unfortunately it seems like their MO is to profit off of gaslighting vulnerable children and teenagers into feeling suicidal instead, which is infinitely worse.

I completely agree. When I was in college I was in a relationship with an abusive man. He threatened suicide every time I tried to stand up for myself.

my ex threatened it endlessly, I just started rolling my eyes at it, it was like a daily thing, low and behold he's still alive, all those mantrums and threats never amounted to anything, just a big nasty toddler doing the scream and scream and scream thing until they are stick (and then you are expected to clean up after them)

At this point, TIPs threatening suicide to get what they want has the same energy as Bart in Blazing Saddles holding himself hostage to escape the hostile, racist townsfolk, and they're stupid enough to buy it.

Life is officially more absurd than a Mel Brooks movie.

Amen sister.

The other thing I hate about this is how the TRAs are trying to turn suicide into a self-fulfilling prophesy among young kids sucked into the cult. Kids (and gullible adults) are being told that suicide is the ONLY option if they can't get hormones, surgeries, affirmation, etc on demand. And, if they threaten to kill themselves, their families (and all of society around them) is forced to comply with their demands instead of the suicidal individual being hauled in for treatment. This practice only makes mental health and suicide risk WORSE for folks who are actually suicidal because they don't get the treatment they need. And it also opens the door for abusive, manipulative people to use suicide threats as a weapon to control the people around them. It goes against EVERYTHING modern psychology says about how to handle suicide! But, as usual, medical ethics go out the window when trans shit is invoked

Right? The only people murdering TIMs are men, so why is all their wrath directed at us? This is a male on male violence problem that has nothing to do with us. If there was even a single instance of a woman physically assaulting or killing a TIM you know they'd never stop waving it in our faces as a reason that we aren't allowed to be upset about them attacking us, so I'm gonna assume it's never happened. Every time there is a public clash between women and TIMs, only the TIMs are violent.

Misgendering does not cause people to kill themselves, my wife is called "sir" every single day, so what. If someone truly can't handle the kinds of minor annoyances that come from interacting with strangers, they should be in a residential psych facility. They know they aren't going to kill themselves, you're right it's just a manipulation tactic. What we need to do is stop letting it work on us. They know it doesn't work on other men, you should see what happens to TIMs who use these threats on gay men.

Right? The only people murdering TIMs are men, so why is all their wrath directed at us?

Its because killings of TIMs are extremely rare in western countries. And most of the murders of trans people happen as a result of sex work or other illicit activities like dealing in illegal drugs. And the woke dipshits don't want to address those trans deaths because it will invalidate their dogma about sex work being a normal and wonderful job. So instead they bend over backwards to find ways to blame JK Rowling for some trans kid leaping off a roof in Ohio or whatever

[–] femlez34 5 points Edited

Their response would be that it wasn't "sex work" that caused the man to be killed, it was JKR. There was some kind of butterfly effect making her responsible. All those pimps and johns would have been stand up citizens treating TIMs with the utmost kindness if they hadn't been poisoned by the witch's tweets! Everything a man does is twisted to be some woman's fault instead.

I wish I had the courage to point out to TIMs that men have a 4x higher suicide rate than women. So if "trans women" really were really women, wouldn't being trans lower their risk rather than increase it?

That asshole Laverne Cocks blamed "Black cis women" for the murders of Black transsexual prostitutes. He claims that those TIMs wouldn't be murdered/assaulted if Black women were more open to their boyfriends & husbands humping men behind their backs while the women dutifully sit at home caring for the children.

So, yeah, these selfish TIMs will twist themselves in knots to blame women for male violence

Mens problems are no concern of mine. There’s a national crisis text line, dudes, go use it.

People with Cluster B personality disorders will often use threats of suicide as a manipulation tactic. And if me talking about reality makes you feel suicidal, you need to seek help immediately, because I'm not going to stop calling a man a man just because it hurts his fee fees.

[–] notapatsy 6 points Edited

Someone suffering from body/gender dysmorphia needs psychological treatment for their dysmorphia (and its cause). As we know from research, validating that dysmorphia does not help the person who suffers from it.

A suicide threat says nothing about the person at whom it is directed; it says everything about the person who makes it. A suicide threat is an indication of psychological distress. It often isn't even a serious threat, but an attempt at manipulation. The only person who is responsible for taking a life is the person who takes theirs.

My father was suicidal (he was not AGP or TIM, but bipolar). By the time he killed himself at age 72, he had a history of suicide attempts (none of them feeble; he nearly succeeded on several occasions) and threats. I wasn't the only one in the family or among his friends who was overcome with a sense of guilt after he did kill himself, as if it were our responsibility to have stopped him, as if by our actions we could have altered the outcome. It took me years to understand and fully incorporate (and I use that word advisedly) that none of us were at fault, and that we control only ourselves and our own actions, not the actions of others.

I was raised as a girl to placate my father, and to alter my actions in response to his moods (to cater to him, in other words), and I took that early training into my marriage with my AGP/TIM (he only revealed his AGP-generated dysmorphia after 32 years of marriage). It took me three years after his trans bomb drop to understand how the pattern of my childhood was being repeated in my marriage, at which point I divorced him.

I hate suicide threats from anyone, I don't care its not my problem, sort your own life out and grow up.

thats my attitude to it whomever it is, your responsible for yourself in this world.

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