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I have always found it frustrating how TIMs (MtFs) will claim that they do not experience male privilege because when they are presumed to be male it is misgendering (which is a form of violence). However, most amazingly, I came across this post sharing this contradictory opinion from a TIM wherein he goes on about how he can't have male privilege because of misgendering etc etc but then actually admits that he sometimes lets himself pass as male (which is sooo horrible) for safety reasons. I really just feel like if we are at the point where these people are actually admitting that they have male privilege, while still denying it at the same time, we have certainly reached a level of La-La-Land ideology that is hopefully about to crack? Do you think people like this are hurting their cause, or do you think it makes no difference because people will just keep believing what they want to believe? I honestly just don't know. If you would like to see the post, here it is. This isn't the original post (it is someone who is critical of it), so clicking on it won't give any traffic to the dumbass who originally made the post.

https://twitter.com/GabsClark5/status/1573086903381168128

Anyway, I am just looking for other opinions on where we are at in this whole debate, because when I see things like this I think we must be near the breaking point. But maybe not?

I have always found it frustrating how TIMs (MtFs) will claim that they do not experience male privilege because when they are presumed to be male it is misgendering (which is a form of violence). However, most amazingly, I came across this post sharing this contradictory opinion from a TIM wherein he goes on about how he can't have male privilege because of misgendering etc etc but then actually admits that he sometimes lets himself pass as male (which is sooo horrible) for safety reasons. I really just feel like if we are at the point where these people are actually admitting that they have male privilege, while still denying it at the same time, we have certainly reached a level of La-La-Land ideology that is hopefully about to crack? Do you think people like this are hurting their cause, or do you think it makes no difference because people will just keep believing what they want to believe? I honestly just don't know. If you would like to see the post, here it is. This isn't the original post (it is someone who is critical of it), so clicking on it won't give any traffic to the dumbass who originally made the post. https://twitter.com/GabsClark5/status/1573086903381168128 Anyway, I am just looking for other opinions on where we are at in this whole debate, because when I see things like this I think we must be near the breaking point. But maybe not?

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"pass as a male"

Dude, hush your mouth. You are LITERALLY a male.

Right like how did we go from them trying to pass as female to them thinking they can't pass for being male 💀

I remember something that helped peak me, it was a tim on reddit saying that he lived as a woman most of the time, but presented as male at work bc "for some reason" his job is just easier when he's male-presenting

I think that might've been what got me banned from one of the trans subreddits bc I was like, "for some reason" are you kidding me?

They're selfish, irrational clowns

[–] Future Is Female 4 points Edited

I thought you were going to say that got him banned from the subreddit, and I thought “good for them, some integrity!”, but no. Glad you spoke out though.

Oh my lord! That is insufferable. How can these people keep a straight face when saying this stuff? And how can so many others just lap it up?! I guess people literally don’t listen to it fully. They are just told that it is bigoted to disagree in any way with “this trans person is actually the opposite sex, at least when they want to be,” so they allow this crap to continue. So beyond ridiculous!

[–] no- 34 points

It’s called boymoding. They do it whenever it’s convenient to them. That’s what happens when your “true self” is a costume you can just choose to stop wearing.

Yep. I've read a few stories of TiMs "boymoding" for job interviews and then "coming out" once they get hired.

[–] no- 18 points

Some of them do it until they trap a woman in a marriage, and then come out when their wives are pregnant or just had a baby.

What a nightmare. And then the woman gets called a bigot for not wanting to continue on with the weirdo

That's fucking sick. I feel the absolute worst for transwidows and their kids. I cannot imagine how mortifying not to mention confusing it would be if my dad started dressing as a woman, or my mom started dressing as a man

This is my thought on it.

I get that you're scared (of men, not "TERFs," don't lie) when you wear a dress.

The difference for me is, putting on pants doesn't make me any safer.

For a while in my young adult life I tried to “escape” my femininity by dressing like a man. It didnt make a hoot of difference and kind of only made me feel worse because it reminded me that I was always inescapably female. I never realized that getting older would be the best thing that happened to me. I don’t get harassed nearly as much now that I am almost 40. But it doesn’t take away the years of feeling unsafe, being followed, groped, etc. And yeah, that someone can just opt out of that is ridiculous.

Scroedinger's privilege: when you do, and do not, have male privilege.

Today on NPR in a story about book banning, a commenter asked why 5 year olds, kindergarteners, need sexually explicit or sexually confusing books. The interviewee was allowed (after many words obfuscating) to reply that teenagers need to explore their sexuality. He was not called on it, the interview ended, and most people a likely left thinking, "well that's reasonable", because teenagers "do" need to be able to explore their sexuality. But not 5 year olds.

It was such bad journalism I wanted to scream. Do not avoid the question and answer another, and if you do, the "journalist" doing the interview should bring it back to the original question.

Long rambling answer to say that no, I don't think we are near the breaking point. NPR is still pulling the wool over the listener's eyes.

I quit NPR a long time ago. Such nonsense and propaganda. Hearing them beg for donations constantly was the cherry on top. Pathetic.

Oh yes, why is this always the tactic? They pretend a different question was asked and just answer that one. In the same vein as insistently calling surgeries for transgender kids/teens "gender-affirming care." It's so sneaky, but also so cowardly. They will not actually face the question or the reality of what they are doing.

NPR has been garbage for years now. Not sure exactly when it happened, but it’s been crap for a long time. They have been steadily pushing trans and “q*eer” stuff, along with other harmful things like surrogacy. I think it’s safe to say they are anti-feminist and truly hate women, all while appearing “woke.”

You are right. I noticed it a while ago, like you did, and now motly listen to music or books. Sometimes, I think I should know what's on the news.

I often end up yelling at the radio.

Amazing how this doesn’t trigger life-threatening levels of dysphoria, but when people aren’t (or refuse to pretend to be) fooled by a performance of womanface it does. Curious.

I also wonder who exactly they're scared of? What's that you say? Men commit almost 100% of crimes against transwomen? But I always see them threatening violence against terfs! So strange 🤔

You'd think they'd be going after the straight dudebros that actually threaten them, but no I guess women saying twam is more of a nightmare for them than getting killed

Wow this male privileged man is a solid moron.

Perhaps I'm just a massive cynic but I seriously doubt we're near any sort of breaking point. The liberals are not ever going to let this go because this will always primarily affect women and liberals, much like conservatives, no matter how much they claim they care about women, do not give a shit about us.

I mean, for fucks sake, we've asked for such basic shit and they can't give it to us. Even just having them acknowledge the fundamental reason feminism ever existed for any reason in the first place -- due to sex based oppression -- is absolutely impossible.

[–] vulvapeople 18 points Edited

liberals are not ever going to let this go

Also, the political situation, at least the in the U.S., is so incredibly divided, I think liberals are going to cling to it as long as possible specifically to own the chuds. The fiction that TIPs "are who they say they are" is such a perfect political acid test, it's too good a way to sniff out wrongthinkers for it to be suddenly abandoned.

It's also a way to unperson the working class, regardless of political leanings, which also seems to be a major motivator. The mainstream American left hates the working class most of all.

It's so true, and they use a similar cowardly and sneaky rhetoric when discussing the working class as well. They just call them "white people." And then they describe white people as all being rich and living in mansions or whatever. Some random little white girl growing up in a trailer with a crack addict mom does not have the same kind of privilege as someone who grew up in a mansion, that's just a fact. Sure, she doesn't face racism, and that is also a fact. But the elite refuse to be honest that the working class does face some prejudice as well, because they want to continue to be prejudice against them. I think that just drives more and more working class people to the far right, and then the divide deepens, and so it goes.

Yeah, I am inclined towards cynicism myself most of the time, but today I was just wondering if maybe the backlash against this nuttery will actually swing the pendulum back towards sanity at least for a while. I think what HAS to happen is for straight men to get made to feel more and more uncomfortable. Like, if the trans activists start demanding that Hollywood cast TIMs as all the female love interests in straight movies, I feel like straight dudes are just not gonna stand for that after a while. It is depressing but I just feel like it will only change when straight men are inconvenienced because people are actually still more intimidated by them. Women just get trampled on.

With a nice "sex work is work" scrawled on his wall behind him too just for funsies. We were watching his videos absolutely cackling yesterday. See the one where he gleefully describes scaring women when he walks behind them? "No, no, no, I'm on your team, I promise!" No you ain't.

[–] GenderHeretic Assigned2LegsAB 5 points

Why did he have to make it look like it's written on the wall in blood?

[–] proudcatlady 10 points Edited

When these guys say this, they mean that being perceived as a TRANSwoman is what’s dangerous. They don’t admit the danger cis women live with.

Fair enough, that is probably what he means. Ugh. That just made it even worse! Haha

They're saying the quiet part out loud now, but I think we're too entrenched in gender ideology for it to matter. We see men who aren't even performing femininity claiming to be women, and people seem to just accept it, using preferred pronouns, etc. I wish I could have hope that the majority of people (or at least women, for goodness sake) would wake up and see gender ideology for the bullshit it is, but hope is hard right now.

Even if the vast majority of people see through the BS, it will be hard to push back against the powerful entities with a significant financial interest in creating life-long medical patients.

Srsly you get banned from reddit for misgendering a self ID tim rapist housed in a women's jail. It's absurd

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