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I have always found it frustrating how TIMs (MtFs) will claim that they do not experience male privilege because when they are presumed to be male it is misgendering (which is a form of violence). However, most amazingly, I came across this post sharing this contradictory opinion from a TIM wherein he goes on about how he can't have male privilege because of misgendering etc etc but then actually admits that he sometimes lets himself pass as male (which is sooo horrible) for safety reasons. I really just feel like if we are at the point where these people are actually admitting that they have male privilege, while still denying it at the same time, we have certainly reached a level of La-La-Land ideology that is hopefully about to crack? Do you think people like this are hurting their cause, or do you think it makes no difference because people will just keep believing what they want to believe? I honestly just don't know. If you would like to see the post, here it is. This isn't the original post (it is someone who is critical of it), so clicking on it won't give any traffic to the dumbass who originally made the post.

https://twitter.com/GabsClark5/status/1573086903381168128

Anyway, I am just looking for other opinions on where we are at in this whole debate, because when I see things like this I think we must be near the breaking point. But maybe not?

I have always found it frustrating how TIMs (MtFs) will claim that they do not experience male privilege because when they are presumed to be male it is misgendering (which is a form of violence). However, most amazingly, I came across this post sharing this contradictory opinion from a TIM wherein he goes on about how he can't have male privilege because of misgendering etc etc but then actually admits that he sometimes lets himself pass as male (which is sooo horrible) for safety reasons. I really just feel like if we are at the point where these people are actually admitting that they have male privilege, while still denying it at the same time, we have certainly reached a level of La-La-Land ideology that is hopefully about to crack? Do you think people like this are hurting their cause, or do you think it makes no difference because people will just keep believing what they want to believe? I honestly just don't know. If you would like to see the post, here it is. This isn't the original post (it is someone who is critical of it), so clicking on it won't give any traffic to the dumbass who originally made the post. https://twitter.com/GabsClark5/status/1573086903381168128 Anyway, I am just looking for other opinions on where we are at in this whole debate, because when I see things like this I think we must be near the breaking point. But maybe not?

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Wow this male privileged man is a solid moron.

Perhaps I'm just a massive cynic but I seriously doubt we're near any sort of breaking point. The liberals are not ever going to let this go because this will always primarily affect women and liberals, much like conservatives, no matter how much they claim they care about women, do not give a shit about us.

I mean, for fucks sake, we've asked for such basic shit and they can't give it to us. Even just having them acknowledge the fundamental reason feminism ever existed for any reason in the first place -- due to sex based oppression -- is absolutely impossible.

[–] vulvapeople 18 points Edited

liberals are not ever going to let this go

Also, the political situation, at least the in the U.S., is so incredibly divided, I think liberals are going to cling to it as long as possible specifically to own the chuds. The fiction that TIPs "are who they say they are" is such a perfect political acid test, it's too good a way to sniff out wrongthinkers for it to be suddenly abandoned.

It's also a way to unperson the working class, regardless of political leanings, which also seems to be a major motivator. The mainstream American left hates the working class most of all.

It's so true, and they use a similar cowardly and sneaky rhetoric when discussing the working class as well. They just call them "white people." And then they describe white people as all being rich and living in mansions or whatever. Some random little white girl growing up in a trailer with a crack addict mom does not have the same kind of privilege as someone who grew up in a mansion, that's just a fact. Sure, she doesn't face racism, and that is also a fact. But the elite refuse to be honest that the working class does face some prejudice as well, because they want to continue to be prejudice against them. I think that just drives more and more working class people to the far right, and then the divide deepens, and so it goes.