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Deadline ran a story on how the tv show "Q*eer as Folk" is being canceled. I'm sure there were fans of the show, but you wouldn't know it from these comments 🤣

Link to story: https://deadline.com/2022/09/queer-as-folk-canceled-peacock-one-season-1235126316/#respond

Here are some replies:

Gary: The Show was horible. Bad writing and acting and a worst odf all a waste of kim catrall and juliette lewis.

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Anonymous: I think the original outline of this show must have been solid, and the actors were able to bring some of it to life, but man oh man was that final product messy.

The show felt like I was watching the show runner getting bored of his own story and kept changing things on a whim. There were touching moments here and there that brought me to tears, but overall none of the character arcs made any sense.

This show might have had a lasting chance under a different show runner with more writing disciple. Hopefully, they’ll try again one day.

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Anonymous: Sometimes cancelling a show means it was a bad show that few people watched.

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Super Suer Famous Actor: This is unfortunate but not at all surprising. The new QAF tried way too hard. I think the creators just got excited and threw everything but the kitchen sink at this show. It is over-all TOO MUCH. The hair, make-up, costumes, writing, acting…. it was all way too over the top. The dialogue is so unwatchable because NO ONE talks how these characters talk. These characters talk in buzzwords and it makes for a super super disconnected viewing experience. The actors didn’t have the chops to lift such bad writing off the page.

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Dale: I was looking forward to this show, but I gave up after a few episodes. Too many characters were assholes. i wasn’t sure who I was rooting for, except for the pregnant character who kept being treated like garbage. It’s hard when shows like this and Q Force waste their opportunities to do something queer by missing the mark

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Jesse: The original Queer As Folk was a story about gay men but this new version was not. No wonder it tanked. Who would see this one you removed gay men out of the equation?

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Gay Millennial: I’m a guy man and watched the Showtime series so I decided to give this one a shot. I had my reservations upon seeing the first trailer which seemed to be less “G” and more “TQIA+.” While I found the pilot surprisingly engaging and visually interesting the quality dropped precipitously and quickly.

Also, while TikTok and Twitter may make it seem like everyone is just a Demi trans drag queen genderqueer non-binary, this is not true. These people are such a small segment of the population centering them was likely to alienate just regular gays and lesbians – which is what it did.

ALL the conversation around this show was about how “inclusive” it was and I get it: the original series was blindingly white and male. There was a way to make this work without making it so focused on a very small segment of the community.

Hopefully when this is rebooted again, they’ll get it right.

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Anonymous: I am a gay person. I have been on gay message boards. No one could relate to these characters. They avoided more average relatable gay characters that a large majority of queer audiences couldn’t even see themselves represented! And by the way I don’t find Will and Grace interesting either. It just one extreme vs. another.

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Djoka: You’re my hero, I think same, both show are just representation, but of stereotypes not developed characters.

I have never seen the show (I would never watch a show with a slur in the title) but it sounds like the show runner wanted to capitalize on the rise of the TQ+ fad. People aren't going to waste time on a crappy TV show, even if it's iNcLuSiVe.

Deadline ran a story on how the tv show "Q*eer as Folk" is being canceled. I'm sure there were fans of the show, but you wouldn't know it from these comments 🤣 Link to story: https://deadline.com/2022/09/queer-as-folk-canceled-peacock-one-season-1235126316/#respond Here are some replies: > Gary: The Show was horible. Bad writing and acting and a worst odf all a waste of kim catrall and juliette lewis. ... > Anonymous: I think the original outline of this show must have been solid, and the actors were able to bring some of it to life, but man oh man was that final product messy. >The show felt like I was watching the show runner getting bored of his own story and kept changing things on a whim. There were touching moments here and there that brought me to tears, but overall none of the character arcs made any sense. >This show might have had a lasting chance under a different show runner with more writing disciple. Hopefully, they’ll try again one day. ... >Anonymous: Sometimes cancelling a show means it was a bad show that few people watched. ... > Super Suer Famous Actor: This is unfortunate but not at all surprising. The new QAF tried way too hard. I think the creators just got excited and threw everything but the kitchen sink at this show. It is over-all TOO MUCH. The hair, make-up, costumes, writing, acting…. it was all way too over the top. The dialogue is so unwatchable because NO ONE talks how these characters talk. These characters talk in buzzwords and it makes for a super super disconnected viewing experience. The actors didn’t have the chops to lift such bad writing off the page. ... > Dale: I was looking forward to this show, but I gave up after a few episodes. Too many characters were assholes. i wasn’t sure who I was rooting for, except for the pregnant character who kept being treated like garbage. It’s hard when shows like this and Q Force waste their opportunities to do something queer by missing the mark ... > Jesse: The original Queer As Folk was a story about gay men but this new version was not. No wonder it tanked. Who would see this one you removed gay men out of the equation? ... > Gay Millennial: I’m a guy man and watched the Showtime series so I decided to give this one a shot. I had my reservations upon seeing the first trailer which seemed to be less “G” and more “TQIA+.” While I found the pilot surprisingly engaging and visually interesting the quality dropped precipitously and quickly. > Also, while TikTok and Twitter may make it seem like everyone is just a Demi trans drag queen genderqueer non-binary, this is not true. These people are such a small segment of the population centering them was likely to alienate just regular gays and lesbians – which is what it did. > ALL the conversation around this show was about how “inclusive” it was and I get it: the original series was blindingly white and male. There was a way to make this work without making it so focused on a very small segment of the community. > Hopefully when this is rebooted again, they’ll get it right. ... > Anonymous: I am a gay person. I have been on gay message boards. No one could relate to these characters. They avoided more average relatable gay characters that a large majority of queer audiences couldn’t even see themselves represented! And by the way I don’t find Will and Grace interesting either. It just one extreme vs. another. Reply to above comment: > Djoka: You’re my hero, I think same, both show are just representation, but of stereotypes not developed characters. I have never seen the show (I would never watch a show with a slur in the title) but it sounds like the show runner wanted to capitalize on the rise of the TQ+ fad. People aren't going to waste time on a crappy TV show, even if it's iNcLuSiVe.

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[–] ProMoleratWaxer #1 Worst Poster 43 points

Can we have a TV show thats "homo as fuck" and it's just homosexual people doing normal things. I want to actually know what it's like to work in the military/service/construction as an openly gay person etc. I've seen enough narcicissm and fashion trends and general mental illness glorification show me a lesbian woman slowly fixing engine cylinders or something please god

[–] Turtlefuzz [OP] Gender Outlaw 🤠 20 points

I feel like this kind of show would be so good for actual gay representation. Showing normal men and women who are homo- or bisexual just doing normal things.

Not campy bullshit stereotypes and contrived drama-heavy storylines, made for straight people to laugh at.

The TQ+ crowd would riot. Their whole goal is to be as special as possible. We can't have normal gay people doing normal things while not relying on being homosexual to substitute for a lack of character and personality because it all the more clearly shows the divide between being merely SSA and bullying people into using your tree/treeself pronouns.

It's reeeeeally hard nowadays for shows to not be preachy. This new generation are whiney, butthurt Puritans trapped in genderqueer bodies.

My sister called me up to tell me that the new reboot of Beavis and Butthead is surprisingly funny. Which is both encouraging and a sign of how how bad it's gotten.

In the late 80's and early 90's a lot of comedies went south because they decided to go preachy. It was their version of "jumping the shark" in the 70's. Jerry Seinfeld and Larry David had a strict "no preaching" rule and other shows followed suit, so they were good from start to finish.

Why the latest generation of writers decided to go back to preaching is beyond me.

People don't like being lectured.

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My husband and I have a game where we time how long it takes for a new series to say something forcibly woke lol

I like to put on law and order in the background and omg that is the preachiest. Especially newer SVU. Sometimes characters will just quote stats at each other in convos like it’s normal.

Yeah, SVU is background noise, for sure. If you sit down and focus the show is ridiculous. I discovered this one time watching it with my mom. She suddenly started to crack up. And I mean couldn't-even-breathe laugh. It was just so over the top.

My best friend from high school and I could always, always reliably crack each other up just by quoting some of the most melodramatic lines from certain episodes. It never failed. Our favorite was the one with that guy from the Vampire Diaries as a scene-chewing serial killer who was also sleeping with his brother.

Oh, and then there was that one that was inexplicably about exotic animal trafficking, climaxing with the line "The monkey's in the basketball!" This was played with all the weight and drama of Schindler's List. I honestly can't even get mad when SVU is super woke, because nothing about it can be taken seriously.

Think with the latest generation, if you don't lecture hard enough, you get lectured. Hard. I've also seen a lot of people who conflate depicting something with condoning it, unless the writers bend over backwards to immediately pair it with an on-screen call-out or otherwise explicitly outline 'this is not okay'...much like how many news "reports" today have morphed into thinkpieces that often leave out key details of the situation in favor of telling you how you're supposed to think and feel about them.

Mike Judge is a freaking genius.

I really want to somehow be able to ask him one question: Did you think that Idiocracy would happen as quickly as it did?

I remember when I first watched that and I thought it was funny, but obviously would take so long to actually happen and then watched it again a couple of years later and was all, "Well, that really was prophetic, huh?"

People don't like being lectured and it's not funny.

The Sex and the City reboot had that one painful non-binary character who had a stand up comedy show that was actually just minutes long lectures about gender. It was so shoehorned in it would have been funny if the scenes weren't so awkward.

There's a new series on Hulu called reboot where I think they're picking at some of that stuff, it's been funny so far

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I didn't know they rebooted Queer as Folk again. Wasn't twice enough?

TikTok and Twitter may make it seem like everyone is just a Demi trans drag queen genderqueer non-binary, this is not true.

I watched the original QAF and L word and really enjoyed both. There were not many shows that featured LGB people back then so virtually every lgb person I knew watched them. My LB friends would have watch parties even for QAF (show about gay men). I never bothered with the new versions because I heard the terfuffle about them being mostly tqia+ based. Shocking no one is watching this reboot, maybe it's because they're centering something no one can define.

[–] GCRadFem 4 points

I didn’t even know it was rebooted. I didn’t like it the first time around and I hate the word queer. I never “reclaimed” that word in any capacity.

[–] Peppermint 7 points Edited

but it sounds like the show runner wanted to capitalize on the rise of the TQ+ fad.

Ha! It sounds like it. I used to watch the original series years ago. I enjoyed the stories of the gay men and as a straight woman I could still put myself in some of the characters shoes. I'm glad I didn't bother to watch the new one. Trans are just straight men. That isn't said enough. They are straight male misogynistic incels with no sex/romantic appeal as men pretending to be women. What kind of tv show other than a sad one could they possibly make about that?

I'm going to make a guess that other than gay men/women, straight women might have also been a big part of their audience. And once it started being all about TQIAXWYUH+ it didn't appeal to anyone anymore.

I've never seen any of the iterations of this show but I know people - women - who passionately adored it.

It did have an underage guy with a significantly older boyfriend - the US version might have aged him up to avoid that - but that IS a feature of gay male life, or it was.

In the English show the younger guy was 15. In the American version he was at least 18.

Anonymous: I am a gay person. I have been on gay message boards. No one could relate to these characters. They avoided more average relatable gay characters that a large majority of queer audiences couldn’t even see themselves represented! And by the way I don’t find Will and Grace interesting either. It just one extreme vs. another.

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Djoka: You’re my hero, I think same, both show are just representation, but of stereotypes not developed characters.

Just gonna add Djoka is slang for penis

Why are men so juvenile 🤦‍♀️ It’s seriously like they never mature past teenage years emotionally.

Why do they constantly joke about their own genitalia?

[–] Turtlefuzz [OP] Gender Outlaw 🤠 2 points

I didn't know that lol 😂 kind of ironic that he complains about stereotypes but his username is just "dick"

Much like Dick and dick, it can also be a nickname and shortening of a name (for example Djokovic), but it feels intentional here.

"Willie, make 'em cry, make 'em laugh, make 'em mad, even mad at you. Stir them up and they'll love it and come back for more, but, for heaven's sakes, don't try to improve their minds.”

― Robert Penn Warren, All the King's Men

Thank god I won’t have to see cringy adds for it anymore on Peacock.

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