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She supports unisex change rooms because everyone should feel "accepted and included", but she will no longer use them and would rather buy and refund garments so she can try them on in the safety of her own home. Not just that, but she had to be walked to her car because she felt so violated. This is the world TRAs have created.

We need a new hashtag.... #JKRowlingWasRight (or... #JKRowlingWasRightAGAIN)

It's not "inclusion" to TRAs if there are no women around to make them feel included. So this woman does not, in fact, support "inclusiveness" for TIPs, which is fine, of course, but it shows how deluded she is that she thinks self-excluding won't be taken as an affront by the Brave and Stunning.

[–] NoMoUomo 19 points Edited

If a pervert is perving in a forrest with no woman around to discomfit, is he really being authentic, validated, etc?

Same goes for a gender neutral space

She is only a true ally when she neglects her own safety and ignores a lifetime of learned risk assessment

This poor girl doesn't realize that opting out of the gender inclusive space makes her a TERF regardless of whether or not she spouts their dogma. She can only be a true ally if she's willing to sacrifice her body and dignity to the cause

[–] Cogent 20 points Edited

Sounds like a variation of Poppers Paradox, where being inclusive means you allow aggressive degenerates to bully the timid ones.

This reminds me of the libfems who think incels should all just use prostitutes. I asked one of them on reddit why they thought random prostituted women deserved to be abused by incels and got banned from whatever sub I was in lol

LOL can you top this one? I got banned from the science sub for saying that only women can get pregnant.

What in the brainwashed Stockholm syndrome is this?? I'm 2 parts sad for her, and 2 parts just dumfounded.

She's like one of the weak characters on the handmaid's tale. The one with the eye patch comes to mind.

[–] eyeswideopen 9 points Edited

Janine actually fought back, which is why she wears an eyepatch (the regime gouged out her eye). This person reminds me more of Natalie/Ofmatthew.

[–] Peppermint 3 points Edited

Her character wavered back and forth.. understandably out of the need to survive. It is always hard to tell just how much she actually believes in what she needs to do. Possible spoiler for those who haven't seen it.. Eg. She is always gleeful and overly excited to please Aunt Lydia all the time especially in the current season 5. She's even been called out on it by other handmaidens. Whereas all the others including June just did what they had to without the extra antics or expressions.

In the end I realize she is not the best example of this woman. Some others say she is saying she is glad for inclusivity to cover herself... so there's that.

Whether or not she actually believes unisex changing rooms are a good thing for "inclusion", we all know she had to say this or else her perfectly valid reaction would be derailed by TRAs. I'm so sad for young women who are coming of age in a time where you have to apologize for crap like this- as if being a girl/young woman isn't hard enough.

her perfectly valid reaction would be derailed by TRAs

I hate TRA rhetoric for ruining the word "valid". Her reaction to men barging in on her in a state of undress is valid because men actually are sexually aggressive and routinely violate boundaries that exist to protect women's safety and dignity.

The things that TiMs in their hugboxes repeated assure each other are valid--jealous rage at little girls, wanking in mom's underwear, fetishizing sexual harassment--are not. They endanger women and girls by trivializing male violence against women.

[–] hellamomzilla 34 points Edited

This is, in fact, why it is a real loss at being unable to use the word “normal.” The vast majority of humans in Western society do NOT want to be naked in front of strangers. That is NORMAL.

It is ABNORMAL for men to want to violate the privacy of girls and women and to pretend to be female to transgress the completely NORMAL personal and societal boundaries of girls and women.

[–] hmimperialtortie AGP = evil 6 points

This is one of the things that pisses me off about seeing the term “normies” thrown around here all the time. It’s a condescending put down whether users here mean it that way or not. Yes, most people are normal, neither video game geeks nor suffering from conditions like autism etc. Having knowledge about a particular subject, whether the trans cult or fandom or arts, doesn’t make anyone special. The term might as well be proles, the way it’s used.

Same. It was actually quite smart of her to cover her tracks this way.

Agree. The whole way she has framed this is really smart. She's not angry and confrontational; she's expressing her fear and sense of violation in a completely open and humane way, leaving it for the viewers to get angry on her behalf and take action. If she'd come out and made a really angry video it wouldn't show people what the problem actually is.

I don't know if I'm making sense here. What I'm trying to say is that while anger is the right response, sometimes it takes something different to get any traction, ESPECIALLY if you are a woman.

[–] Nediljka_Orwell PITA crone 16 points

I doubt there was any deliberate framing going on there. That was spontaneous, genuine distress from a sweet & naive young gal who had a brush with shock and fear in a place where she was told/had assumed was safe. She’s not angry. She had a bad and unexpected scare and is having a cognitive dissonance meltdown from it. She feels confused and betrayed, but can’t get truly angry about it. She can’t because she’s trying to process it in a liberal/tolerant selfless context.

What might sadden me the most is that she turned to Tik Tok for guidance to get affirmation of her perceptions and feelings. Good luck with that, Honey.

I give it to the count of 5 before they say she's a TERF in disguise because we're praising her for getting through to people in a very raw and real way.

I'm glad you mentioned this, my first reaction was to be angry at her for mentioning the inclusion crap.

The whole point of changing rooms is exclusion and seclusion. You seclude yourself to try on clothes. It’s ridiculous the notion of inclusion has been applied to change rooms at all.

So they opened the curtain of a room that was clearly occupied when there were empty ones available. Obviously hoping to catch a woman naked.

This is why you don't have "unisex" bathrooms, locker rooms, changing rooms, etc.

I see she thought she had to say sorry when it was her privacy that was violated by a pair of peeping Toms. This is female socialization at work. Now everyone is "included", women will exclude themselves. If she feels she has to buy something to take home to try on, perhaps she would be better off not buying anything at all until the changing room policy changes.

TRAs in comments saying ‘look transphobia are making it about trans people’. No. What feminists have been saying that unisex means anyone can come in and will. We’re saying make exceptions to single sex exemptions for one man, and you cannot realistically prevent other men from violating the space. And this is being borne out in real life.

And then the next trick up their sleeve is to say ‘are you saying all men are bad? Women do it too!’ which is how you know it’s all a men’s rights movement.

Yep exactly, anytime women raise concerns about women's issues all anyone ever seems to do is say "what about men" or "so you're a man hating feminazi then!"

These rules and social stigma were the only thing keeping these men from committing the crimes that they commit when they go into women's spaces, now that Society is encouraging them to commit these crimes all bets are off and it's going to keep getting worse and worse.

"It was two different people, clearly from the same group" and they clearly knew she was in there. The second time they opened it they said "Have you tried it on, can I see?" and then just pulled the curtain open again. Acting like it was an accident if they saw her undressed, straight out of Kelso's handbook.

This happened because males were allowed in a space where there are vulnerable women. They wouldn't have had the balls to try to enter a women's only changing room, but Primark just went and made it easy for them.

I don’t know how women like her resist their natural impulses; if anyone, let alone a TIF opened the curtain on me, I’d be incapable of not throwing a punch or knee.

I don’t know how women like her resist their natural impulses; if anyone, let alone a TIF opened the curtain on me, I’d be incapable of not throwing a punch or knee.

Everyone always thinks they'll be a superhero in these situations. Sadly, most of us just freeze.

Thank you for saying this. I had dealt with stuff that happened when I was younger, totally thought I would hold no punches and then something severe enough happened and I completely froze just like decades ago. I think it's the brain lowkey knowing that if you make a move it will get worse. But the good thing is I don't freeze at all when someone's bothering other women, I think it's so for others too, which is why we need to look out for each other - in the moment and on societal level.

So sad. It reminds me of the women who cry about their abusive male partners and then follow it up with, "But he's a good guy and I love him! Its actually my fault I got hit because I know he wants his dinner promptly at 5pm and I didn't have it ready until 530pm! Its my fault for losing track of time! But he bought me flowers and apologized, so its all good!"

We need to draw a line. People seem to think that a vast majority of the Gender Woo are harmless and there are only a few bad apples.

How I view it is that a man is a predator immediately if he's willing to go into a space he knows is held for women only. He has his male spaces and yet he can't resist going into a woman's space.

It breaks my heart she has to be like "I shouldn't be crying" NO!! It's terrifying having men walk in on you! And why the hell are there only curtains?? That's horrible! They need stalls!

How I view it is that a man is a predator immediately if he's willing to go into a space he knows is held for women only.

Yes, absolutely. The men who force their way into women's spaces over women's objections are by definition predatory because they intentionally violate boundaries that are meant to protect women's safety, privacy, and dignity.

The line that "a sign on a door won't stop a rapist" is disingenuous in part because the threat isn't just rape--it's peeping toms, men masturbating in spaces meant for women in states of undress, men installing cameras, etc. It's dozens of other smaller, not necessarily illegal incursions that break down barriers between predators and potential victims.

Twenty years ago, if a man tried to enter the women's locker room he would be told to get the fuck out, and maybe get banned from the gym or arrested. Now, women get banned or harassed for complaining that a man with semi hard-on is leering at them, or that a grown man is watching little girls undress. The threshold for appropriate male behavior has been lowered almost to the liquid core of the earth.

And men who may have wanted to violate women this way in the past, but were stopped by strong social stigma are now emboldened by the erosion of entirely sensible social norms.

Funny how TIMs that say that, somehow don't apply this belief to the men's toilets. Entering a toilet with sign featuring a stick figure in a dress is apparently vital to prevent them getting attacked, but not us.

Excellent point. Especially since TiMs are facing a LiTeRaL GeNoCiDe.

Also, your user name is funny!

Entering a toilet with sign featuring a stick figure in a dress is apparently vital to prevent them getting attacked, but not us.

When we complain about the threat of male violence, we're called bigots. When a man in a dress whines that he'll get raped if he pees or undresses with males, all of society has to change to accommodate his make believe concerns

The line that "a sign on a door won't stop a rapist" is disingenuous in part because the threat isn't just rape--it's peeping toms, men masturbating in spaces meant for women in states of undress, men installing cameras, etc. It's dozens of other smaller, not necessarily illegal incursions that break down barriers between predators and potential victims

This! A sign won't stop a rapist. But the social stigma that used to come with disobeying that sign often did. Now those are gone. And a man simply has to claim to have a Lady Soul to violate a woman's boundaries

And why the hell are there only curtains??

This pisses me off the most. These retailers are setting trans policies with no regard to redesigning the space for greater privacy and security.

[–] hmimperialtortie AGP = evil 8 points

The minute a man starts publicly crossdressing or claiming to be a woman or nonbinary is enough for me. He’s a predator and should be locked up.

[–] vvvqvvv 23 points Edited

I bet TRAs watched this video with a smile

I'll bet they're already threatening this young woman, doxxing her and calling her a liar too.

Once again, some poor girl has been brainwashed into accepting that these violations are acceptable because it makes men in lipstick feel better. The "unisex" changing rooms have defaulted into MEN'S changing rooms because that's what ALWAYS HAPPENS when you let men into a women's space!! And now shopping will be infinitely more difficult and less fun for girls like her because they don't have to option to try clothes on before purchasing them. Which is horrible because we all know how women's clothing lies when it comes to sizing and fit (ie if a size 10 fits you in one brand of jeans, it'll be way too small on another brand of jeans). So girls like her will waste a lot of time and money purchasing clothing only to have to return half of it to the store.

This is what we TERFs warned everyone about!!! And whats worse is that the handmaidens are so throughly brainwashed that they'll still scream "FUCK TERFS" while crying about being violated in a gender inclusive facility

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