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Latest example is Kate 'Chase' Strangio:

https://twitter.com/chasestrangio/status/1574369228626563075?s=20&t=OKTfXOaw-MtRoGE18rqtNw

I had top surgery 13 years ago. There is not a day that goes by that I don’t think about how it was the best thing I have ever done for my survival. I also had orthopedic knee surgery at 14 and often regret it. But no NYTs pieces about orthopedic regret I see.

This tweet is at 46 000 likes so far. I honestly can't believe how people can be so dumb. In the case of knee surgeries there's a real physical problem. In the case of trans procedures there's no problem. Zero. It's all in their head and it's mainly about beauty. When doing a knee surgery the goal is to fix the problem because the knee doesn't function properly. When doing trans body modifications, the goal is to modify the body in a way that the patient customer desires because of a fetish/trauma/internalised homophobia/misogyny etc. There's nothing medical about it. This is not healthcare. Implying your healthy female body is so terrible you can't survive unless it's mutilated is peak misogyny and also offensive to people with real life-threatening diseases. Trans "care" is nothing more than a body mutilation cult fueled by misogyny and homophobia. But Strangio goes on, this thread no doubt was written in support of teenage girls having their breast amputated:

Pediatric ACL surgery is very common, particularly for athletes in girls’ sports who are not supported in strength training. It comes with a lifetime of potential complications. Many surgeries do. And yet this is how medicine works

Meanwhile we hear about an “explosion” in trans care. But so much of the need was always there we just had no access to treatment. I spent years trying to access top surgery had to travel across the country for care and paid for it with student loans.

When I woke up from knee surgery, I felt like my body was mutilated, I felt depressed and disembodied and have had to spend decades working to regain strength and have had two subsequent knee surgeries.

By contrast, my top surgery had no complications and enabled my life to be full and free. I am alive because of that care. I would give almost anything to have had access to it earlier.

Trans people and those who care for us are under tremendous threat. We are having all the wrong conversations and I fear for what that means for the many people who have a medical need that has exposed the fear of how powerful bodily autonomy can be.

No shit, there are certainly some very disturbed people on this planet who will be happy to have parts of their bodies amputated or damaged. That doesn't mean we should mutilate them. The vast majority of people who identify as trans would never have developed a trans identity or even gender dysphoria if not for the normalisation and popularisation of transgenderism. And in the rare cases where the gender confusion occurs from a young age, it always proves to stem from sexism or homophobia. There are zero people on this planet born in the wrong body. I'm so fucking tired of this cult.

Latest example is Kate 'Chase' Strangio: https://twitter.com/chasestrangio/status/1574369228626563075?s=20&t=OKTfXOaw-MtRoGE18rqtNw > I had top surgery 13 years ago. There is not a day that goes by that I don’t think about how it was the best thing I have ever done for my survival. I also had orthopedic knee surgery at 14 and often regret it. But no NYTs pieces about orthopedic regret I see. This tweet is at 46 000 likes so far. I honestly can't believe how people can be so dumb. In the case of knee surgeries there's a real physical problem. In the case of trans procedures there's no problem. Zero. It's all in their head and it's mainly about beauty. When doing a knee surgery the goal is to fix the problem because the knee doesn't function properly. When doing trans body modifications, the goal is to modify the body in a way that the ~~patient~~ customer desires because of a fetish/trauma/internalised homophobia/misogyny etc. There's nothing medical about it. This is not healthcare. Implying your healthy female body is so terrible you can't survive unless it's mutilated is peak misogyny and also offensive to people with real life-threatening diseases. Trans "care" is nothing more than a body mutilation cult fueled by misogyny and homophobia. But Strangio goes on, this thread no doubt was written in support of teenage girls having their breast amputated: > Pediatric ACL surgery is very common, particularly for athletes in girls’ sports who are not supported in strength training. It comes with a lifetime of potential complications. Many surgeries do. And yet this is how medicine works > Meanwhile we hear about an “explosion” in trans care. But so much of the need was always there we just had no access to treatment. I spent years trying to access top surgery had to travel across the country for care and paid for it with student loans. > When I woke up from knee surgery, I felt like my body was mutilated, I felt depressed and disembodied and have had to spend decades working to regain strength and have had two subsequent knee surgeries. > By contrast, my top surgery had no complications and enabled my life to be full and free. I am alive because of that care. I would give almost anything to have had access to it earlier. > Trans people and those who care for us are under tremendous threat. We are having all the wrong conversations and I fear for what that means for the many people who have a medical need that has exposed the fear of how powerful bodily autonomy can be. No shit, there are certainly some very disturbed people on this planet who will be happy to have parts of their bodies amputated or damaged. That doesn't mean we should mutilate them. The vast majority of people who identify as trans would never have developed a trans identity or even gender dysphoria if not for the normalisation and popularisation of transgenderism. And in the rare cases where the gender confusion occurs from a young age, it always proves to stem from sexism or homophobia. There are zero people on this planet born in the wrong body. I'm so fucking tired of this cult.

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[–] BlackCirce 🔮🐖🐖🐖 32 points

Her point is irrelevant. If some people regret knee surgery, or eye surgery, or toe surgery or brain surgery, yeah that should be analyzed and the conclusions incorporated into the provision of the surgery. The fact that she doesn’t regret her mastectomy means nothing, because this is about the women who DO regret it. Tbh i don’t give that much of a fuck about women (not girls) who want cosmetic mastectomies. If they know the risks and they really want that, it’s not really my business. But I’m not calling a woman who had a mastectomy a man, and I’m not going to call mothers mobile breeding sows and human milk squirters or whatever the terminology of the month is on behalf of women who dislike having breasts.

When I woke up from knee surgery, I felt like my body was mutilated, I felt depressed and disembodied and have had to spend decades working to regain strength and have had two subsequent knee surgeries.

Ok Kate. Other people are going through this with surgeries that are totally unnecessary, on the parts they need to urinate, defecate, give birth, have sex and breastfeed. Let’s get serious about medical practice so other people don’t have to experience with their breasts and genitals what you went through with your knee.

It's such a narcissistic viewpoint. 'Well, it worked for me, so everyone who had a different experience must be a liar!'

It's such a narcissistic viewpoint. 'Well, it worked for me, so everyone who had a different experience must be a liar!'

And the person she's replying to didn't even suggest banning it or anything. Another TIF simply said, "Hey. Maybe we should talk to these young people who regret it and reevaluate whether its a good idea to do this to LITERAL CHILDREN in the midst of an identity crisis? Maybe more long term data will be helpful for trans people in the future?".

But Princess Strangio wont be happy until nine year olds are getting the full catalog of trans surgeries, everyone celebrates it without question, and all the people who have bad outcomes and/or regret it are swept under the rug and kept silent

She's tripping about this article because more and more people are paying attention to trans issues, but not the way she hoped. She hoped for more head pats, and "yaass queen king" and not the criticism supported by empirical evidence that is starting to sprout up. I hope it keeps up. It has narcissists like her scrambling and panicking.

Agreed. I don't get how we have to be called uterus havers and cervix owners. Doesn't that language trigger transwomen? How come transwomen can freely discuss "titty Skittles" and their "trans cock" and nobody says, "this language is triggering transmen"

It's amazing that so many don't see the blatant misogyny in the transrights movement. Even when pretending to be the opposite sex, men are prioritized over women

Alright. I have to call horseshit here.

I have had the exact surgery Chase is swearing is terrible and causes lifelong medical patient status.

No. Not that it's impossible but its not common. Full ACL tears happen, I wasn't even in sport but an accident.

Yes, the way they fix it for young adults and under is a difficult thing to deal with. Yes you will have a big scar

No, its not really optional that young unless you want to have no knee function when you are older

No it does not have a high rate of failure. Physical therapy is required but you are not going to spend decades getting back your abilities unless you were like a peak performance ballerina or something.

It happens to college level athletes all the time. I shared my pt time slot with a couple. They worked harder and recovered faster. Most of them have surgery and return to the field. Do they have a lot of dedicated attention and PT sure but its not always even a career ender at the pro level.

Nothing is 100 percent and im not going to say all medical surgeries are even good ideas but this is the most insane comparison ever. A number of knee surgeries are pretty bad ideas.

But how you wind up with lifelong regret and medical status and multiple surgeries for an acl replacement when you are young I genuinely do not know unless you are exceptionally unlucky or have a shitty surgeon.

Or....something else is going on and you're basically telling half truths to make it sound like it's more of a reasonable comparison than it is.

Also ACL tears are easily validated by an MRI. There's a fuzzy line of worth fixing or not if incomplete, but for a complete tear it won't heal (barring newer developments in stem cells and such that did not exist for Strangio or myself at that age)

What a fucking crackpot.

That tweet was made in response to another TIF who said that the medical community should do a better job of studying how many TIFs later regret getting their breasts cut off. So Handmaiden Strangio got her panties in a twist over keeping track of basic medical data.

No one in their right mind would object to collecting long term data on people subjected to a particular drug/surgery/treatment. Because most of us would like to know if a drug our doctor recommends has a high rate of causing major problems years down the line that are worse than the original disease. But, when it comes to trans shit, data and facts are transphobic and must be suppressed!

"I regret surgery I needed to treat an actual ailment, therefore more kids should be given elective surgery they don't need." Okay, Kate 🙄

[–] ProMoleratWaxer #1 Worst Poster 18 points Edited

They don't give you knee surgery for body integrity identity disorder.

When you propose surgical treatment for mental identity disorder the psychological effects will be analysed. Your psychological state resulting from knee surgery is uncorrelated because it wasn't a depression cure. It failed, write an op Ed on systematic failures because, there is not a cult opposing you.

If you proposed your treatment as 'cosmetic breast surgery because I want to' rather than 'only cure to suicidiality for my innate mental illness stemming from gender soul being born in the wrong body' I think most people wouldn't care. The problem is consistently narcicissm and religion. She says she thinks about her breasts every day which is abnormal even with the 'surgical obsession cure' it obviously hasn't worked even here

She says she thinks about her breasts every day

That’s what jumped out at me too! I mean every day she looks down at where her breasts used to be and tells herself it’s the best thing she ever did?

Ooookaaaay, Chase.

Not to mention that she’s now using her position as a lawyer to attempt to force a whole bunch of girls to have their breasts cut off.

I have literally never heard of a person who got knee surgery and then proselytized for widespread knee surgery for children.

I have literally never heard of a person who got knee surgery and then proselytized for widespread knee surgery for children.

Or any other surgery, for that matter. In a sane world where medical ethics exist, the goal is to AVOID surgery unless it's absolutely necessary and all non-surgical avenues have been tried.. The only way Strangio's knee surgery analogy would fit would be if multiple doctors were prescribing knee surgeries for every kid who scraped their knee or had a mild tumble

The cognitive dissonance and lack of critical thinking skills of most people is honestly shocking and annoying.

How are TRAs and gender ideology so so so so hilariously flawed, hypocritical, and braindead yet so many people can’t see it???

By contrast, my top surgery had no complications and enabled my life to be full and free.

Given how obsessed you are with stripping other women of our rights, I'mma go out on a limb here and say you are lying, ma'am.

[–] BondiBlue 9 points Edited

Is it ethical to perform liposuction or gastric bypass on an eating-disorder patient, or prescribe diet pills or syrup of ipecac? Do we “affirm” an emaciated person’s “identity” as fat, or help synchronize body and mind so that the healing process can begin? And once again, isn’t this comparison made all the more striking by the fact that Dr. Dick, who is the TRA czar in the Biden administration, used to work in an ED clinic? Anyone going to ask him how many weight loss procedures he performed on anorexics and bulimics?

As usual, Kate comes up with dumb analogies that morons eat up as fact, because critical thinking is “oppressive”. Esqueer is even worse: Corinna Cohn asked a perfectly cogent question, so Esqueer hit block with the asinine justification “I don’t talk to anybody from Kiwi Farms”. 🙄 That’s the new “you’re a Nazi” apparently, whether you subscribe there or eve heard of it or not.

Their bullshit logic falls apart at the slightest criticism, so of course they fall back on “no debate” and deplatforming antics. Facts are literally genocide.

Darkly comical that Strangio would say this given that her nipples aren't on straight. But, sure, great results.

My favorite was the meme about how ballet altered someone's body in childhood without their full informed consent and therefore puberty blockers are completely OK.

Or how we're hypocrites if we oppose puberty blockers and don't also oppose kids being forced into sports or music lessons the don't want

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