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I've always had this thought. Notice how most TIMs will talk about how girly they are just for wearing makeup and dresses yet other than that that's the only femmine things I see them do. Before you but in I'm talking about mainly the transbian types not hsts. I notice the media that they consume notice despite the fact they fetishize tween girls they aren't into the same things that actual tween/teen girls are into. Like I notice is that in media they consume they never watch shows marketed towards girls over the age of seven you know with high school or adult aged protagonists unless it's a porn. Like in weeb circles they only bring up sailor moon because that's the only girl anime they know because it's so world renowned in which the girls wear schoolgirl outfits which they fetishize especially the lesbian couple I doubt they actually watched even one episode. I don't see them consuming shoujo or josei which mainly focus on romance or fashion like the music based anime that is which is very popular with even gen z girls nowadays due to y2k resurgence in fashion Not trying to be stereotypical at all. Notice how I never seen in fandoms where the series is really feminine and girly like the the Italian girl fairy cartoon, candian cartoon about Beverly hills girls or the cartoon about the teenage kids of well known monsters (it's actually the opposite which are TIFs) or the games they play are still very masculine like speed running games. If you're gonna basd your identity and how feminine you are at least put more effort in. Please don't take my words out of a context I'm not saying every girl was into stuff like that but there plenty of girls like me who were while growing up so the fact that they're trying to claim girlhood they never had based on stereotypes they're doing a poor job. Sorry if this is incoherent. Edit I censor some names of certain shows in case they try to ruin them

I've always had this thought. Notice how most TIMs will talk about how girly they are just for wearing makeup and dresses yet other than that that's the only femmine things I see them do. Before you but in I'm talking about mainly the transbian types not hsts. I notice the media that they consume notice despite the fact they fetishize tween girls they aren't into the same things that actual tween/teen girls are into. Like I notice is that in media they consume they never watch shows marketed towards girls over the age of seven you know with high school or adult aged protagonists unless it's a porn. Like in weeb circles they only bring up sailor moon because that's the only girl anime they know because it's so world renowned in which the girls wear schoolgirl outfits which they fetishize especially the lesbian couple I doubt they actually watched even one episode. I don't see them consuming shoujo or josei which mainly focus on romance or fashion like the music based anime that is which is very popular with even gen z girls nowadays due to y2k resurgence in fashion Not trying to be stereotypical at all. Notice how I never seen in fandoms where the series is really feminine and girly like the the Italian girl fairy cartoon, candian cartoon about Beverly hills girls or the cartoon about the teenage kids of well known monsters (it's actually the opposite which are TIFs) or the games they play are still very masculine like speed running games. If you're gonna basd your identity and how feminine you are at least put more effort in. Please don't take my words out of a context I'm not saying every girl was into stuff like that but there plenty of girls like me who were while growing up so the fact that they're trying to claim girlhood they never had based on stereotypes they're doing a poor job. Sorry if this is incoherent. >!Edit I censor some names of certain shows in case they try to ruin them !<

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Because they're looking at it through the male gaze, and acting out a man's idea of what women are (which seems to pretty solidly be focused on the things most geared towards catering to the male gaze, ie the makeup and lingerie and such). Why so many end up trying to emulate porn stars and hentai girls, depictions of women and girls that cater to them. Same as how they can watch "lesbian" porn and think enjoying it means they're not men, while the fact is it's made by men, for men. They think enjoying the things made specifically to cater to them means they aren't men, because they lack theory of mind for women and don't understand that we don't respond to it the same way they do.

Two of my closest female friends stripped for a living when they were younger. They have personas they adopted for that to appeal to the men who watched them...just like how they had different customer service personas when they worked retail/waiting tables. One still breaks out her stripper persona from time to time when there's a guy she's into and she's trying to move things along with him; voice, body language, gestures. Thing is, men don't get that isn't her, it's an act that she maintains for precisely as long as he's watching. He's out of the room? We're cry-snort-laugh-cackling about it, because it's SO ARTIFICAL and she's so aware of it. But these dudes only really see the persona, and regular-ass women who aren't putting on the act for their benefits are invisible to them...or they resent us because we're not playing the part (see all of the TIMs pouting about how they 'deserve to be women' more than all of us boring women who aren't womaning to their standards)

ooh I love the TIMs who claim they deserve to be or are more of a woman than me because of my fashion choices. like awww seethe and cope over me looking for more feminine and adorable in my pullover swearshirt and jeans than you ever will in a dress and heels, boys. seethe and cope 😝

India Willoughby being befuddled that actual women aren't fans of company dress codes that require us to wear makeup, panty hose, and heels to work, and arguing against doing away with those requirements. They need there to be a woman costume so they can wear it; if actual women don't wear it, it takes the pole out of their tent a little bit.

yes! same reason they get mad at Harry Styles for wearing dresses. then they literally look like the men in dresses that they are

[–] MissBehaved 10 points Edited

You are so right. They NEED the woman costume. That's the whole reason they reinforce gender. A woman who has short hair, wears no make-up, doesn't shave, who only wears comfortable clothing and footwear? Why, that cannot be a woman at all! How can they imitate that to show they are 'real women' uwu? They need all women to wear the costume

Yup and then they have the audacity to claim that they're "breaking gender norms" 🙄

Its that male audacity.

This is what I find so funny. Today all I had to do was drive, so I went out in public in an oversized Regular Show t-shirt, Kiki's Delivery Service pajama pants, a Lumpy Space Princess cardigan and Simpson's X Vans classic slip-ons with no bra or makeup and I still looked hotter and more feminine than those wealthy tims who get all the face + body sculpting and are able to afford professionals to style them and "teach" them how to be women (this is a real occupation btw and Feminine Consultants are absolutely raking it in. I encourage any ladies here who actually enjoy performing femininity and are good at fashion and makeup, to look into doing this for a living. You can fleece tims with more money than sense)

Oh AND I have my period and haven't shaved in over a year lol. Seethe and dilate

VERY well said. And to your last statement (the site isn't letting me copy and paste for some reason) omg are you kidding me? If I heard a tim saying that I think I would hyperventilate from laughing so hard

I also never see trans-identifying men in any of the thankless volunteer roles that women often take on (animal shelters, homeless outreach, administrative help for non-profits).

The most "girly" things I've noticed them into is My Little Pony, and that's only because they stole it from little girls and tried to make it theirs.

My Little Pony and Sailor Moon are the big two I've noticed too, which makes no sense. If a guy is 40+, like the one TIM I knew who wandered around with his uwu lesbian denim vest covered in Sailor Moon patches, then he wasn't the right age to have watched Sailor Moon or MLP as a kid, unless he was almost out of high school and still waking up at the crack of dawn to catch them on local stations in the kids' TV morning blocks. They don't usually know the lore or much about the characters, but they like the girly girl aesthetic. For MLP, they weren't usually collectors of the original ponies, but followed the Brony-to-Trans pipeline after watching the newer show.

They're posers. They're posing as liking media aimed at girls (GIRLS, not women, GIRLS. None of them have been die-hard fans of Grey's Anatomy since season 1, for instance), and they're posing as women.

[–] vulvapeople 11 points Edited

My Little Pony was a thing when I was a child, and I'm in my early 40s. MLP was one of the earliest kids' cartoons that existed solely to sell toys.

I agree with you about Sailor Moon though. I didn't even hear about it until I was in college, and the teens I tutored liked it.

I was also a big fan of the "old" MLP! However, the one that TIMs are into is the newer rehashing of the series, MLP: Friendship is Magic. I think that one came out around 2010.

my little pony started in 1981

I guess I was watching the reruns as a kid, then! Still, it would be very weird for a 40+ year old man to be into the original G1 ponies. They mostly gravitated to the Friendship is Magic generation of ponies and don't seem to care much for the original line.

And they mostly just want to fuck the little girl ponies. Never type that shit into Google ever

I don’t know one AGP TIM (My age) who was into the G3 My little Pony which is what I grew up with In the early 2000s, none of them collected the g3 toys like every girl my age did obsessively , or pollypockets or Bratz like we all did. None of them watched Power Puff Girls on Cartoon Network. They probably watched all the stereotypical boys shows like Ben 10 or some other fighting cartoon show. Yet they became suddenly interested in the G4 My Little Pony because it’s been sexualised by creepy men ( like themselves) I’m tired of one of my childhood favourites being twisted into porn. 😭 now every time I go looking at images of my Little Pony I have to sift through disturbing images of my fave childhood characters with weirdly human vaginas 🤢😭

But men lose their shit at the idea of any Marvel movie with a lead female character..they have a lot of nerve after pulling that shit.

marvel is massive with women tho due to all those sexy men in it, they don't tend to notice that or be bothered about it you'd think the incels would be insanely jealous of those actors and hate iron man, thor and captain america especially. the marvel x pandora jewelry collection was massively popular far more then they expected it to be, its the most successful pandora disney cross over collection, they were expecting it to fall on its arse like the star wars collection did as it turns out women are not that into it and don't want to wear yoda bracelets leaving them with tonnes of stock to try and shift at discount, but it didn't it sold out in record time, within days of release and they couldn't get the charms/charm bracelets in the shops quick enough, they were going for 3x the price on ebay when they first came out.

proving that women love the MCU but men don't seem to notice.

They're like every other male MLP 'fan', dismissing and mocking G1-3 because they don't appeal to them. I'm also into the earlier gens and it's frustrating hearing men talk about them!

G3 is my favourite and because they don’t sexually appeal to these creeps they hate them. Men ruin everything they touch. A show that was made for little girls is not longer a show for little girls but 30+ year old bronies 😭 I hate that they ruined MLP. At least Minty wasn’t in the G4 show , she was a childhood favourite of mine and it would disturb me to see her sexualised like the rest of them.

[–] Sailor_Paradise [OP] Weird but hey 16 points Edited

I actually have talked about this like a year ago about how bronies ruin the franchise but in a different place. They are only interested in girly things for pre school girls cause they're often degenerates like I said actual things women and girls over 12 that has nothing to do with our physical biological bodies are into repels them

[–] NoDayForADo 36 points Edited

Neither the TIMs nor the TIFs really seem to be doing things that girls/boys their age actually do. It's like they all have some trans checklist of things to wear and interests to express but it's all coming from what the trans community says they should like and do, not from within and not from observing actual humans around them. All of the "transboys" at my kids' school look exactly the same, and none of them dress or act like the actual boys in the school. They are clearly GIRLS. The only "he" thing about them are the pronoun pins that our school hands out.

This is exactly what I've noticed working with high numbers of trans teenagers. Neither of them (TIFs or TIMs) are anything like their peer group opposite sex. Are the transboyz at your kids' school all called Aiden, Luke, Elliot, Charlie, Elijah/Eli, Noah or Kai? I've worked with maybe 100 TIFs over the years, only 5 were called something other than those names.........!

Some TiFs are Ash or Nico. I've seen that a lot.

Oh ffs there's an annoying YouTube tif named Ash. She's a child groomer but tries to act like a 9 year old? It's weird.

[–] Dee 6 points

Any idea why those names, rather than other ones?

Honestly I'm not sure. I'm pretty young myself but not very down with the kids - almost all the Charlie's and Eli/Elijah's were originally called Charlotte or Emily, so I guess they are just close sounding to popular girl names. I have no idea about Kai or Aiden, I have never met an actual man called either of those names! Maybe it's a softboi cute manga thing, God knows!

Are they picking Elliott bc of Ellen Page? Bc otherwise why on earth would they choose fucking Elliott lmao

A lot of those names are currently popular baby names for boys.

[–] orchidmantis 8 points Edited

"pronoun pins"?? omg can you elaborate a little bit on that? I've never heard of a school (high school I'm assuming?) doing that before, that sounds amazingly cringey. Does your school make everyone wear them or is it just an optional thing they have available?

Public schools in America are kind of a joke these days. Then China ......

I joined the PTA specifically to make sure none of that homophobic gender bullshit comes to my sons elementary school

I mean also bc having involved parents makes kids have better outcomes but that's secondary LOL

I was just thinking about this the other day.

I am, and have always been a "tomboy". I never went through a girly phase as a teen*, I never enjoyed the kind of movies or TV my sisters all watch, I don't dye my hair or wear makup and I loth shaving my legs. As a little girls, my favorite toys were TMNT and matchbox cars. Since I was 18 I've only worked in male dominated industries doing manual technical labor and now IT related. My hobbies range from gender neutral like art and backpacking to "I own more tools than most men I know". (To be clear, I am a straight woman who very much enjoys sex with my straight male boyfriend, this has nothing to do with my sexuality. )

According to what a TIM thinks a woman is, I am not one. I don't happily engage in all the performative femininity that they think makes them a women.

What they don't see, because it's not on display, is my love of historical American fiction because I love reading about my shared history with other women. They don't see my love of children and how much I look forward to the day when I can be a foster mom or how I cry when I see a childs headstone. They don't see how much time and energy I put into trying to better my community through volunteering. They don't see how much emotional labor I put into my relationship with my boyfriend. They don't see the anxiety I have over maintaining my looks and my health because even though I don't do the hair and makeup routine, I spend a ridiculous amount of time and money on skincare, what I eat and my overall health. They don't see this because they don't want to do this stuff and they don't want to do this stuff because they don't actually feel like they're women.

Whenever I see TIM's talk about why they felt like women, they only ever talk about how they felt when they saw other women doing things they wanted to do. They wanted to play with barbies or wear makup or high heals or whatever and they seem to make that their entire TIM persona. It's strangely sexist to me whenever I see a TIM talking about how he feels like a woman now because it's all so.. so.. superficial.

*I actually went through a bit of a girly phase in my mid thirties when I got my first office job. And it's not that I was against looking and dressing more feminine, it was just never an area of my life I bothered to try out.

Agreed. There's nothing "strangely" sexist about transwomen. It's loud and proud sexism imo

Notice how you never see a man transition and then start taking care of the kids more, devoting more time to his family particularly the elderly ones, or remembering all the family birthdays and allergies and making it their business to do all the shopping for every gift-giving holiday, or planning family trips, or grocery shopping

They are only interested in the most surface version of being a woman. It's like they think real life women are actually similar to sitcom women. A huge reason why I'll never believe that whole "born in the wrong body" nonsense. You are not a fucking woman inside, Dave.

They're not at all interested in or frankly, aware of the tons of unpaid, underappreciated, invisible work that society the world over expects of women. I really can't believe the Cult Of Gender Worship even got this far considering how blatantly anti-woman it is, but then again maybe that's exactly why it's gotten so bad

An early "that's weird" experience I had a few years before hitting peak trans was when I was volunteering at a low-income housing project for the formerly homeless. One of the residents was a barely transitioned TIM (he had only grown out his hair), and he was obsessed with the Saw franchise. That was the first "woman" I ever met who liked torture porn, and it was an early "this person is actually a man" moment for me.

Are you using "porn" like how ppl say "ArtPorn" or "FoodPorn" or did this man actually tell you he's into sexual torture pornography?

I was just referring to that genre of movies (the Saw franchise, among others) as "torture porn" because there's not much reason for those movies to exist except for the audience to watch people die painfully. But it's not "porn" in the sense of it being actual pornography.

I had a large group of TIM friends for a while in my 20's, 100% male behaviour outside of how they dressed. Obsessed with sex, video games, cars, were in the army etc etc. And oh my gosh, the endless drama (usually about who is shagging who), it just went on and on and on. I'm a fairly "masculine" woman, I like video games, know my way around cars, i can build a computer from scratch, fishing etc, BUT, I also knit, crochet, bake, cook, clean, colour, garden, sew, paint, and a whole other pile of stereotypical "female" activities. Outside of cooking and cleaning I don't think I saw any of them do any of those things.

[–] Hollyhock 24 points Edited

My teen daughters and nieces are into sports, mocking-which is biking to parks, hanging out in hammocks and playing music, skateboarding, skiing, buying just one more hoodie, baking desserts, buying organizers and redoing their lockers, going to movies, hanging out and dancing to TikTok, one loves all things witchy, one likes to help her dad w/ building things together as he's a carpenter, one likes to play her musical instruments, one is big on organizing for specific political groups, and they all love to talk on the phone and be goofy w/ their friends. They aren't a stereotype, they don't fit into any neat box, they are each their unique person. If you haven't yet seen Dylan Mulvaney, please check him out as his entire persona is mocking teen girls. I fucking hate that men feel they have a right to interpret and LARP teen girls. I want all TiMs to leave the girls alone. Stop their mockery, stop thinking about them, go far away.

Yo the girls in your fam sound so cool and fun to be around

Dylan disgusts me with his big-ass jaw. Idk why but his jaw gives me a visceral reaction,I find it so disgusting. I've never had this reaction to a jaw before or ever even thought about jaws until the first time I saw him

Also where do you live that "mocking" is a thing bc I want to go to there

When I was in high school "mocking" was hanging out and people watching, cracking on peeps (not to their faces, like just between us) and trying to guess what kind of conversations ppl were having, with hilarious results

I love this! I suppose when my girls are mocking, they are hanging out and people watching too! Just in a hammock ;)

mocking-which is biking to parks, hanging out in hammocks and playing music

I wanted to say I'm glad this is a thing. It sounds heavenly.

Are you kidding me, how can "mocking" as you explained be considered "sports"? The modern American body is too weak ......

mocking is not a sport, I put a comma after 'sports'. It's one thing, in addition to sports, that my kids like to do.

[–] BlueToyotaTacoma I post shit 15 points

Yes, and almost all of them have interests that are probably the most stereotypically male in existence. They all seem to like porn, anime, video games, and “nerd” stuff. Of course women can be into those things too (as I am minus the anime and porn) but it’s funny to me because for people who claim to be such girly girls they don’t even behave in ways that have ever been remotely perceived as feminine.

I’ve noticed a similar thing with TIFs. They claim to be men but act ten times more feminine than I do and don’t even have a drop of masculinity whatsoever. They dress like girls often do and have no “male” interests like sports or using tools. It’s like they think that just because they’re not a walking caricature of a woman it automatically makes them men.

In my experience most fit the nerd profile, as opposed to the bro profile. I think they think that because they aren't bros, they aren't really masculine. Even though they are just another manly stereotype.

[–] NoDayForADo 22 points Edited

What I find really funny is when you see the little boys who are claiming to be girls from a very young age, where we're supposed to believe it's genuine as opposed to the ROGD type kids, even they don't seem quite like girls their age. A lot of little girls really do like "girly" things, princesses and tulle-y dresses and so forth - but few of them present as posh little divas 100% of the time. Whether because they themselves seek comfort over presentation sometimes (sweats, jeans, etc) or because their parents aren't willing to shell out that much money for every single item of clothing (girls stuff is $$$) or because tulle is not appropriate for a pumpkin farm etc ... trans girls end up not looking like little girls their age.

I think that parents of actual girls weigh in with a dose of common sense while still allowing their girls to be girly, whereas the parents of "trans girls" indulge them in ways that clearly show the behaviors are being driven by external forces. Every parent is familiar with the concept of pick your battles and a lot of kids - boy or girl - will on occasion want to do something like wear pajamas to the grocery store or flip flops in the dead of winter etc - but we seem to hear more claims of "she absolutely refused to wear ANYTHING that wasn't pink" for example from parents of trans girls than we do from parents of actual girls. I don't think I have ever known a single actual girl who would have had a meltdown over not being able to be princessy to the hilt 24/7. Even among the most girly of actual girls - a pink shirt with jeans, or a dress made of a solid, sensible material, with leggings for warmth, would have been girly enough. They don't need to go overboard.

There is always a give-away in that the presentation is just too exaggerated.

Lol yeh, kids are complex and you can't pin an identity on what they wear. I was a tomboy kid that got really obsessed with a perfect pair of green trousers and loved climbing trees and making dens. Clearly I'm repressing my twue twans identity !! 🤣

[–] Hollyhock 16 points Edited

exactly. My daughters were both into princess stuff for awhile. We live in an area where it gets really cold, so the dress went over the long thick pants/leggings/jeans and turtle neck. My youngest wore a snowsuit I picked up in the boys' section because I got it on sale and it was never an issue because I never said, "This is boys wear." She just wanted to get outside and play. I don't believe for one second that the trans children weren't completely molded by their parents. Teens are another story, but the young ones, Transhausen by proxy 100 percent.

"she absolutely refused to wear ANYTHING that wasn't pink"

I also wonder how much of this is due to autism. A distant relative of mine has a son with a pretty severe case, and before she got a handle on his diet (I legit think diet is a factor in the worst autism symptoms), he was impossible to deal with. If I were her, I would have let him wear whatever he wanted just to stop the meltdowns.

I'm pretty sure that autism rates are much higher in trans ppl than the rest of the population so that tracks

What I feel is that for sensory issues, men with autism will want dresses, long hair or scent more and women with autism will hate dresses, long hair or makeup more.

Ugh those parents drive me crazy. I really wasn't surprised when that medical intern who worked on a children's gender ward said he noticed the kids seemed to enjoy manipulating their parents, guilting them, etc. A lot of them are just overindulged, spoiled brats with crap parents

Like...EVERY parent knows that sometimes little kids will "insist" on things. And so fucking what? We are the adults, say no, keep it moving

Eta: obviously I'm talking about neurotypical kids. If your child has OCD or autism then things have to be handled differently, I don't have direct experience with that

Shhhh why tell them which hobbies and fandoms are still female dominated?

[–] Sailor_Paradise [OP] Weird but hey 5 points

Holy shit but then again those things don't interest them in the first place they purposely seek out things for little girls or is porn I censor some things.

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