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She's an artist, a gifted one.

I looked her up and got a whole bunch of "Fuck TERFs" with a side of "give your money to trans people".

We're talking about a female person who's barely 5 ft tall. But now she calls herself a little guy who draws little guys, and "trans masculine".

I remember when she came out to me. I told her that T was dangerous and she literally pouted.

She's a weird one because she's not even gay- she's been dating a series of men before, during and after transition.

(Just as an aside, I think this is part of the reason that TIMs get so upset about women being unwilling to date them. Because men will fuck TIMs, TIFs, real dolls, fruit, etc. if you're trying to find some man to take a sexual interest in you, you will eventually find one no matter how grotesque you've made yourself, because a substantial number of men will literally fuck anything.)

It's really weird to see someone that I welcomed into my home this deep in a cult.

She's ruined her poor body and destroyed her health. I hope she can find a way out of this.
She's an artist, a gifted one. I looked her up and got a whole bunch of "Fuck TERFs" with a side of "give your money to trans people". We're talking about a female person who's barely 5 ft tall. But now she calls herself a little guy who draws little guys, and "trans masculine". I remember when she came out to me. I told her that T was dangerous and she literally pouted. She's a weird one because she's not even gay- she's been dating a series of men before, during and after transition. (Just as an aside, I think this is part of the reason that TIMs get so upset about women being unwilling to date them. Because men will fuck TIMs, TIFs, real dolls, fruit, etc. if you're trying to find some man to take a sexual interest in you, you will eventually find one no matter how grotesque you've made yourself, because a substantial number of men will literally fuck anything.) It's really weird to see someone that I welcomed into my home this deep in a cult. She's ruined her poor body and destroyed her health. I hope she can find a way out of this.

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[–] pennygadget 82 points

She's an artist, a gifted one.

As a former "Art Girl", I hate how this cult has captured that community. Creative girls tend to be offbeat and have trouble fitting in. And that makes them easy pickings for trans grooming

[–] GenderHeretic Assigned2LegsAB 45 points

We need a terf artists' guild.
[–] Estrojen 29 points

I would love a list of GC creators, makers, etc for Christmas shopping. I'd rather buy soaps, knit wear, craft items, etc from women I know are GC. Would be cool if someone could create a GC Shopping List, but I'm afraid it might fall into the wrong hands and backfire...
[–] Purity_spirals 12 points Edited

Jess de Wahl's lovely affordable (afair) patches come to mind, for covert tefitude🤩

Edit: I missed the part about 'wrong hands'.

Jess dW was apologised to by the Royal Academy afair, and the cat is out of the bag regarding her GC views 🙌🏻

Things in Suffragette colours should be beyond reproach surely🤔.

Edit Edit: fixed quote. Expanded why J dW is already known to TRAs. Linked her stuff.
[–] pennygadget 17 points

We need a terf artists' guild.

Yes! We need to save the art girls before they either get castrated or fall into a different cult!
[–] immersang ★♫☆❉★♬☆ 12 points Edited

That is true. At least based on my anecdotal evidence as well. During my university time in particular, some of the young women I knew with the worst mental struggles were also some of the most gifted writers and/or artists I have ever met. Just at that time trans wasn't a thing, at least not the way it is today, so they didn't go and forever ruin their bodies.

[–] vulvapeople 3 points

Creative girls tend to be offbeat and have trouble fitting in.

It's depressing though that being offbeat isn't enough for them to avoid that level of toxic conformity.

And I get it. As an artsy, angsty teenager, I was a goth, which of course I thought made me "different" as I conformed to what my friends were wearing and doing, but at least that didn't require body mods. I also grew out of it.
[–] LavenderLane 30 points Edited

I wonder if she’s read too much yaoi and fetishizes gay male relationships now.

[–] Magik_Lipstick 27 points

She's a weird one because she's not even gay- she's been dating a series of men before, during and after transition.

I don't think this is weird. It seems increasingly common.

[–] MissBehaved 30 points Edited

Yeah there just aren't that many lesbians around. Something like 25% of these kids in woke areas are 'trans' now and most of that number are TIFs. So clearly it's mostly straight and bisexual girls doing this at this point. I think OP may have fallen into the line of thinking that trans people are just extra gay trying to blend in to get more dating opportunities. Homosexual transsexuals certainly exist and probably made a greater percentage in the movement in the past, but that's not what's going on now.

By far the majority of these girls are just normal straight girls who think they are different because they don't like being sexually objectified in a pornified culture. They experience normal discomfort with their bodies during female puberty and think they are the only ones who have ever felt that way. And then they go on Reddit or Tumblr or TikTok and are bombarded with messages that any discomfort they have with their developing bodies means they are trans. Then they'll comment online somewhere that they are 'questioning' and the cult is right there to love-bomb them and pull them in with their 'helpful tips' just to 'try it out'. Affirmation>confirmation of persecution>love-bomb feedback loop begins.

[–] Srfthrowaway 15 points

I'm pretty sure this is the case with my niece (I think she's a part-time girl now or smth idk). She calls herself "asexual" (aw honey you're 14 it's normal to not want sex) but is so obviously boy-crazy that I can't help think she's just a boring straight girl underneath it all. Not sharing details but yeah... Very boy-crazy.
[–] aello 8 points

Anecdotal, but the two TIFs I know are straight. One didn't have many friends in high school and was kind of "weird" (my friends and I were weird kids too, which is why we loved her). She went to college and started hanging out with the LGBT group on campus. I lost touch with her after college but I feel like she needed some way to "fit in" with that crowd because being a "straight cis" is boring and looked down upon. She was also extremely beautiful and got a ton of male attention, so she may have transitioned as a defense mechanism as well. She was "gender fluid" for a while and now is a full on "trans man". I'm still friends with her on Facebook and it's been like watching a slow motion car crash. I've mourned the friend that I used to have.

The other one was also a close friend of mine growing up, who preferred to hang with the boys and climb trees and play sports. I believe she had some strong internalized misogyny, she was/is a classic "not like other girls" type. She's non-binary/gender neutral now which is amazing because I always thought she smart enough to know better.
[–] pennygadget 22 points

Yeah, a LOT of these girls transition into "soft gay bois". And they're too brainwashed to realize that, once they've fucked themselves up with hormones and surgeries, they'll become completely repellent to both gay AND straight men!
[–] worried19 4 points

You would think this would be a red flag for doctors and social scientists.

There is a recorded history of female-to-male transsexuals, but prior to about 5 years ago, they were almost always exclusively homosexual and presented as extremely gender nonconforming from early childhood. The "gay trans man" population has exploded out of nowhere and has zero historical precedent.
[–] ladyagatha 16 points

The lesbians I know who have transed are still adjacent to lesbian communities and for the most part remain somewhat woman-identified; or at least they are in touch with the reality of their biology and the reality of sexism. (I’m still not happy about anyone medically “transitioning” of course.) The same is true for some bi women I know who have transed as well.

It seems to be the straight women and the very-vocally-bi-but-only-date-men* crowds that are the extreme activists. It’s a slightly altered strain of the same brain worms that afflict the trad wives with right wing husbands.

*Asterisk to hedge that of course you can be bi without dating someone of the same sex, not trying to invalidate anyone, and in terms of numbers most bi women are of course partnered to men. But you gyns know what I’m talking about - the contingent of bi-identified women that are so vocal about being a “f-g” and love drag race and gay bars but only date men and will say their boyfriend is “basically a lesbian” because he washes his own behind or remembers her birthday

[–] KissMyOvaries 2 points

Bisexual women who only date men are functionally straight. There is NO oppression or loss of rights when you move through the world presenting as straight (vs those who date the same sex).

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[–] Lipsy i/just/can't 1 points

We're talking about a female person who's barely 5 ft tall.

For the life of me i can't remember which ovarit user said they're like garden gnomes, but... ((raises glass)) this one's for you.
[–] MenHaveItEasy Moid Respecter 2 points

TBH, I was worried that you had a male babysitter and found out he was a pedophile. At least this weirdo was only hurting herself and not the kids she was babysitting.

It's really weird to see someone that I welcomed into my home this deep in a cult.

Yeah, its like meeting someone who's nice, but you look at their facebook page and full of fire and brimstone rhetoric. Same culty vibes.
[–] [Deleted] The Fire Tickles 2 points Edited

What I find dangerous is the idea that someone who doesn't conform is trans. Pixie/Short haircuts are "feminine" cuts as long as a woman wears it, long hair on men is "masc" as long as a man wears it. It's regressive to assign gender to these things. We don't need to define people as trans or label them (non-binary/gender fluid) because they are unique in their own way.

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