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https://twitter.com/gensokyogirl/status/1363167377010081798?s=19

"this is honestly one of the most vile things i have ever read, just admitting they see us like profit margins"

Oh honey, did you think you were getting all that support because people truly care about you? You think that's why people are so excited to jump to surgeries and hormones all of a sudden? Maybe you should've listened to those evil TERFs :)

Note that I personally am not against surgery to treat extreme dysphoria that can't be treated with less invasive methods, but that's clearly not how it's being marketed now.

https://twitter.com/gensokyogirl/status/1363167377010081798?s=19 "this is honestly one of the most vile things i have ever read, just admitting they see us like profit margins" Oh honey, did you think you were getting all that support because people truly care about you? You think that's why people are so excited to jump to surgeries and hormones all of a sudden? Maybe you should've listened to those evil TERFs :) Note that I personally am not against surgery to treat extreme dysphoria that can't be treated with less invasive methods, but that's clearly not how it's being marketed now.

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[–] kalina 78 points (+78|-0)

Of course it's about money. It's the same when they get all euphoric about some big company making a trans friendly statement or whatever. Like do these people really think coca cola or whoever cares a lot about them being able to live their authentic gender identities or some shit? No they're jumping on a trend that will get them retweeted a lot and hopefully not boycotted by angry TRAs.

Sexual reassignment surgeons, just like most plastic surgeons, don't truly think a smaller nose or an artificial vagina will truly make you happy and that they are committing some kind of good act by selflessly giving you this operation. It's about money and money only. Once the trans trend dies down and people realise what they've been doing, all of them will be dropped like hot potatoes. It's already happening from what I've seen, with a lot of TIMs who have botched surgeries just being dropped by their surgeons like 'well tough luck, you have to live with it forever now tho'. That's really the only thing I feel strong empathy for - noone should have to live out their life in a botched body

[–] TheExorcistofLies 60 points (+61|-1)

Botched surgeries, this is true body horror, like what happened to Jazz Jennings. I don’t wish this on even the most virulent of TRAs.

I’ve seen it said by others before, that trans surgery is going to be the next thing we look back like, wtf were people thinking?? Like lobotomies.

[–] XX_Power 31 points (+31|-0)

Or the opioid crisis. I firmly believe that's what is going to happen. Already today you can read about detransistors being "ghosted" by their surgeons once they get problems.

[–] fuckupaddams 7 points (+17|-10)

I was hoping that would be factory farms

[–] PlainSimpleTailor 17 points (+20|-3)

I'm a vegan but I do hope the "next thing" isn't factory farms, because there's still too many things humans have to suffer from in the name of some ideology, medically unnecessary but highly invasive and life-altering surgery being one of those things, but also FGM, wars over oil and other precious resources, religious "honor killings", sex trafficking...

[–] NewMa 41 points (+42|-1)

I've seen "surgeon dumping" at least three times on reddit and I'm not exactly someone going and looking for this very much, you know?

I don't know how MTFs don't see this as a calamity. Oh wait, it's because they're really autogynephiliac transvestites and not actually women at all, and have no intention of doing everything they can to become a woman, they're just going to dress go spinny and jerk off with their flaccid penises. So they're not thinking about the 25% of them that actually have the peen removed. And then the smaller proportion who get dumped by their surgeons.

No, because it's a movement about encouraging autistic people to join together and develop group narcissism.

[–] orchidea 33 points (+33|-0)

I'm sure these surgeons will have built up a nice market for reconstructive surgery for detransitioners by the time the tide turns. It will be the gift that keeps on giving...

[–] ASPENandCo2020 11 points (+11|-0) Edited

Sexual reassignment surgeons, just like most plastic surgeons, don't truly think a smaller nose or an artificial vagina will truly make you happy and that they are committing some kind of good act by selflessly giving you this operation. It's about money and money only.

I have a family member who was a surgical tech for a very long time who worked for one of the original sexual reassignment surgeons in the US, and one of the only sexual reassignment surgeons within a several state radius.

I have talked w/ them about it before and they said that it was just a job, and one of the better paying gigs at the hospital. They said that everyone participating in the surgery from start to to finish doesn't see it as anything more than a paycheck and interesting dinner party conversation.

When I first found out that was what they did for a career I asked every possible question I could think of because it was morbidly fascinating. Their family just grew up around it and had a rule about not talking about the technical aspect of the sexual reassignment surgeries while they were eating.

Once the trans trend dies down and people realise what they've been doing, all of them will be dropped like hot potatoes. It's already happening from what I've seen, with a lot of TIMs who have botched surgeries just being dropped by their surgeons like 'well tough luck, you have to live with it forever now tho'.

Also there was a lot of post op issues because the Trans person (primarily TIMs) would not follow the doctor's instructions for after care. That is why the doctors dump them. They fulfilled their contractual obligation. The Trans person was not upholding their end of the contract post surgery and the Surgeon dumps them as soon as they have proof of it to avoid a lawsuit.

[–] LoveSquirrels 7 points (+7|-0)

I think that most surgeons who do SRS have proprietary methods and are reluctant to revise others' work because there is little standardization in the practice. A second surgeon would be flying blind and subject to malpractice for something he or she in some ways could not know how to do. Although I hate these abusive and reckless docs, in this case it's at least understandable.

[–] drdee 7 points (+7|-0)

I think Scott Newgent and others have also mentioned that there are no accepted standards for 'trans healthcare' against which surgeons can be held to/judged against. I guess you can't be sued for 'malpractice' if there's no actual 'practice' to measure your own conduct against.

[–] RealMapelFlavour 56 points (+56|-0) Edited

They have the math correct but they will still arrive at the wrong answer.

They'll demand this should be free because it's 'life saving medicine'. Then in the US they'll tank the chance for any proposal for universal healthcare by being extremely vocal about their demands for this insanity and give the conservatives a big clown show to point to and a distraction from the people who can't get the basics.

[–] GenderCriticalHit 39 points (+39|-0) Edited

This^

Fighting for Universal healthcare laws that have reasonable policy for medically-dependent people & aren’t written by insurance companies (and their astroturf special interests groups) to future pad their own bottom line , is hard enough. Now we have people who want to opt-in to being life-long patients and believe their cosmetic surgeries are more important than things like treating cancer.

This only gives the people who don’t believe in any kind of government support a very effective straw man to use in discussions about healthcare.

[–] remquarqk 17 points (+17|-0)

I don't even know if it would totally be a strawman, that's what I'm worried about. If this sets a precedent that starts prioritizing cosmetic, non-essential care, it is a legitimate argument then to say healthcare should fall under the private sector.

You’re right.

I categorized it as a straw man because the people who oppose universal healthcare don’t actually care about the issue, they’re only using it to further their own ends. The real world impact of categorizing cosmetic surgery to affirm personal identity is a bottomless nightmare for healthcare budgeting and management.

[–] bumpyjerboa 9 points (+9|-0)

Then in the US they'll tank the chance for any proposal for universal healthcare by being extremely vocal about their demands for this insanity

God, remember when we had to give up abortion for Obamacare to pass?

[–] Griffxx 25 points (+25|-0)

Most of the TIMs will get FFS and a lifetime of being on cross sexed hormones.

$20,000 - $35,000 over a discreet period of time. + HRT $60 - $80.

TIFs top surgey $7,000 - $10,000 + T $60 - $80.

I don't think it's the money generator that they estimate. Some people won't get FFS but will do HRT. Some TIMs due to health problems can't take HRT.

If anything, the majority of revenue will be generated by Brands that attach themselves to the movement. Which means money generated from ALLIES who buy these products.

Cancer, Heart Disease, COPD, Asthma and Diabetes are consistently big ticket items in medicine yearly.

[–] lucrecia 32 points (+32|-0)

Once they've got someone to buy into this rubbish, they can keep coming up with new surgeries, and artificially create demand, because it's not anchored in a medical need but in vulnerability to advertising. They can potentially push for hand surgeries, arm surgeries, damaging people's spines to make them seem shorter, whatever the fuck. It's just a question of how much the quacks can get away with before the trend dies and the medical industry tries to pretend this never happened.

[–] Griffxx 8 points (+8|-0)

You have NBs and Genderqueer Identities that don't use any drugs.

Well what is actually on the horizon is better prosthetics for people who have lost limbs. And getting people to forget about inequalities by creating immersive customized VR worlds. A hundred years from now we will be able to jack into the internet vis a vis William Gibson's Neuromancer.

[–] lucrecia 23 points (+23|-0)

You have NBs and Genderqueer Identities that don't use any drugs.

There are people trying to sell mastectomies as a way to express "being nonbinary". I've seen a gofundme trying to raise funds to amputate one breast before.

(Tbh the horizon I see looks more like either some kind of unholy fusion of Dollhouse and Black Mirror, or climate catastrophe, or both of the above)

[–] Lumos 31 points (+31|-0) Edited

Years of hormones

Dr appointments to get the hormones

Hormone blockers

Hair removal

Various cosmetic procedures

Revisions for the cosmetic procedures

Complications from it all (ex osteoporosis, blood clots)

Hysterectomies

Freezing sperm/other fertility treatments

Mental healthcare

Then you potentially have the cost to reverse it all.

This article has some good price information. https://www.managedhealthcareconnect.com/article/transgender-patients-calculating-actual-cost

I can easily see it getting to $150k for many.

[–] Griffxx 2 points (+3|-1)

You have NBs, Genderqueer Identities who aren't doing any medical intervention. Most minority TIMs can only afford HRT. They shave themselves.

But sure over the course of a lifetime taking HRT/T would add up. But is nowhere near $200B dollars though.

Alot of the real money stays in the upper levels for Think Tanks, Lawyers, Advocacy Orgs, PR firms, Marketing firms, LGBTQ Orgs, Trans Orgs and funding for scholarships, fellowships, chairmanships on Universities and Colleges across the country.

[–] Lumos 18 points (+18|-0)

Medicaid pays for some of this nonsense in a lot of states, I know quite a few states cover top and bottom surgeries.

It’s also not unheard of for NB’s and genderspecials to take hormones or get surgery.

You brought up minority TIMs, black people are already at an elevated risk for blood clots and cardiovascular problems, adding cross sex hormones is throwing gas on the fire. A hospital stay for a blood clot or heart attack is easily hundreds of thousands, if not a million.

[–] Jem 2 points (+2|-0)

So what is it then? If it's not about the money? Why is the gender surgery market growing then?

[–] Griffxx 1 points (+1|-0)

You have more TIFs now, so you are going to see more double mastectomies.

Many TIMs are not going to get the SRS. Those who do, go down to South American countries or Thialand where it's $10,000 - $15,000.

[–] Flower_tsuji 21 points (+21|-0) Edited

Im am against the monstrous Frankenstein surgeries , reading what the vaginoplasty and phalloplasty due to the human body and how it permeate is horrific. Ive only seen a few pictures and read what the people have said but it is horrific. Ive seen some trans id females, talk of trying to take these companies to court in the US and they failed, some of the trans id males on reddit talk about killing themselves because of it....it should be banned. Human experimentation is literally an axis powers war crime- not health care.

[–] marmaladetoast 19 points (+19|-0)

I'm telling you, these rumblings mean something. Wonder if this will devolve into them calling each other transphobic...

[–] jvsmine 20 points (+20|-0)

oh that started happening YEARS ago. even trans people who TRANSITION are told by those who don't that they might not be trans because they don't agree with all TRA talking-points. it's hilarious.

[–] HessaHein 16 points (+16|-0)

I came across a similar article last night:

https://www.gminsights.com/pressrelease/sex-reassignment-surgery-market

Growing awareness and legal acceptance of transgender are expected to propel market growth Presence of favorable initiatives from the government and health insurers are boosting the market growth. For instance, Medicare in 2015 started providing coverage to pay for sex reassignment surgery for transgender since it was essential for the health insurer to treat gender dysphoria in the country. Medicare further provides a coverage to hormone therapy for transgender people in the U.S. that in turn has propelled the market growth.

Growing number of sex reassignment surgeries across the globe especially in the U.S., UK, China are propelling the gender reassignment surgery market growth positively. In addition, upsurge in the number of people undergoing for gender reversal surgeries in the past few years have further boosted the industry growth.

Browse key industry insights spread across 81 pages with 134 market data tables & 6 figures & charts from the report, Sex Reassignment Surgery Market Size By Gender Transition (Male to Female {Facial, Breast, Genitals}, Female to Male {Facial, Chest, Genitals}), Industry Analysis Report, Regional Outlook, Application Potential, Competitive Market Share & Forecast, 2020– 2026” in detail along with the table of contents: https://www.gminsights.com/industry-analysis/sex-reassignment-surgery-market

[–] Ygritte 15 points (+16|-1)

He is still not realizing that this is not the afterthought, this is literally the only reason why his trans identity exists in the first place. I saw he is 19 y/o but I think even I wasn't that dumb at that age. You fell for the oldest trick in the capitalist book, kiddo.

This is simultaneously incredibly sad... and hilarious.

[–] Lady 14 points (+14|-0)

Hippity hoppity, you are the patriarchy's property.

[–] Seven 9 points (+9|-0)

What did they expect? It’s an entire ideology based in consumism and fetishistic desires.

[–] distortedlinds 5 points (+5|-0)

I am against any surgery to “treat” dysphoria, how exactly is that treating it when in most cases it enhances it?! Fix the brain first. Not the body.

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