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So video is already 1.5 M and if you don't want to watch it, here are some interesting parts. -After she posted beep bop boop in her twitter bio, Lucasfilm asked her to have zoom meeting with 40+ LGBTQIA activists. She declined as some of them have slandered her and requested private meeting. There she was told that her mistake was that she gave a logical explanation to an emotional problem. -Lucasfilm asked an artist to erase Cara Dune from some artwork, months before firing. - This year is her first time voting and she probably voted for Trump. - Some antimask bullshit. - Something about voter ID. Not from US, so I don't get the issue. - She was pretty emotional during that interview and sometimes it looked liked she was on a verge of tears. - Elaborated her reason for posting that Holocaust comparison, defended Pedro Pascal.

So video is already 1.5 M and if you don't want to watch it, here are some interesting parts. -After she posted beep bop boop in her twitter bio, Lucasfilm asked her to have zoom meeting with 40+ LGBTQIA activists. She declined as some of them have slandered her and requested private meeting. There she was told that her mistake was that she gave a logical explanation to an emotional problem. -Lucasfilm asked an artist to erase Cara Dune from some artwork, months before firing. - This year is her first time voting and she probably voted for Trump. - Some antimask bullshit. - Something about voter ID. Not from US, so I don't get the issue. - She was pretty emotional during that interview and sometimes it looked liked she was on a verge of tears. - Elaborated her reason for posting that Holocaust comparison, defended Pedro Pascal.

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[–] DarthVelma 29 points (+31|-2) Edited

The voter ID thing is a person pet peeve for me. On the surface it sounds so innocent - people should have to show photo ID to vote. But in reality, this has a disparate impact on the poor and PoC who are less likely to have or need a driver's license. On top of that, many states that have passed "voter ID" laws have subsequently made it much harder to actually get an ID by closing the offices where this can be done, predominantly closing them in high minority population areas. They also cut back hours at the offices that stay open, making it difficult for folks who work jobs that don't include paid leave to actually take a day off to go get an ID. (They do this with voting hours and locations as well - close polling locations in minority neighborhoods and cut back available hours.)

So basically she's in favor of disenfranchising voters from demographic groups that tend to disagree with her politically. If I met her in person I'd tell her she's a fucking idiot. (For this and the mask stuff.) But I'd also tell her that I appreciated the beep/bop/boop thing and that I loved seeing a physically strong woman in Star Wars and that people shouldn't be fired just for being a fucking idiot. (God knows plenty of men are fucking idiots and fail upward.)

[–] Calico 15 points (+15|-0)

God knows plenty of men are fucking idiots and fail upward

And this is primarily the reason I’m so pissed. How many men in just the media/entertainment industry are far worse than women like JK Rowling or even this dummy could ever be, but stay effortlessly employed?

[–] RememberThis 8 points (+9|-1)

God that’s horrible, thanks for explaining it clearly. It hurts to defend someone who voted in favour of something like that, but still I agree with you people shouldn’t be fired for something like the post she published or her opinions, unless seriously violent

There is no IDs in the States? Whoa, i didn't know. Where i come from everyone gets an ID card they get when they turn 18. How would you buy alcohol otherwise? Like what do you show as a proof of age?

You can get driver's licenses or non-driver photo id, but it's not automatic.

Most people do get some sort of id, because of driving or buying alcohol or whatever. But in poor urban areas, someone who doesn't have the money for a car, alcohol or a plane ticket doesn't really have any incentive to deal with the DMV and pay for an ID.

Part of this is that some DMVs are deliberately unfriendly. They can be located in areas that you can't get to by bus, or have insane hours, or require super long wait times that necessitate missing work.

That's so strange... I'm so used to IDs being a requirement that it's difficult for me to imagine this type of system. And because it's mandatory, it's also free. You just fill out a form and get your picture taken.

I'm always finding new things about US that shock me. I remember first time seeing guns at Walmart. I was like waaaaaaat I don't think I've had seen one gun before then and here all of a sudden is an entire wall just chillin.

[–] Mikkal 0 points (+0|-0)

If you live in the United States, you want to have your identification and health insurance documentation available all the time. Technically, you aren't legally obligated to carry an ID with you. But you can't function without an ID. You need it to:

  • Pick up your mail from the post office (if your address isn't current, you need a utility bill in your name).
  • Banking. (Post 9/11 Know Your Customer laws require you to show an ID to open a bank account or get a loan.)
  • Do a store-pick up for something you ordered online (varies, electronic stores will require it)
  • Pick up prescription medicine.
  • Get a job (they photocopy your ID and keep it on file, they usually need your social security Card too)
  • Get on an airplane
  • Get on an Amtrack train (https://www.amtrak.com/passenger-identification)
  • Greyhound bus (scheduled buses - not public transport usually)
  • Go to a R rated movie
  • Buy a mature video game

Of course you need one for restricted items like alcohol, cigarettes, certain restricted medications or chemicals that can be used to manufacturer drugs, and even spray paint! (Some cities ban spray paint sales all together, others require you to be 18 and show an ID, to deter graffiti).

[–] questioningtw 5 points (+8|-3)

Exactly...she has shitty opinions and honestly I can see why she pissed people off. What gets me though is women get punished when they do shitty things, and men are often defended.

[–] womeninlove 4 points (+5|-1)

I mean, I haven't watched the whole interview (I just figured out which interview OP is referring to and it is REALLY long) so I'm not sure what her motivation is, but what's the alternative to photo ID for voting? It seems to me that a push to get disenfranchised people and areas the infrastructure to have access to such identification can't happen unless you acknowledge that this is a problem worth solving. Abandoning a photo ID for voting entirely seems like throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I'm sure there are other situations, aside from voting, that photo ID would be useful, too. I just had to use mine to prove my identity online for an entirely nongovernmental process--if I didn't have one, I wouldn't have been able to run online ads, for example. This could be a part of some people's job.

I'd also be in favor of making voting day a holiday because far too many people can't take the time off work to vote, which is why turnout always skews to older, retired voters.

[–] bumpyjerboa 3 points (+3|-0)

People that don't drive don't necessarily need photo ID. Imagine if you've worked the same blue collar job (that you take the bus to) for years, and your ID (which you never even look at) expires. Is that really on your radar? The only time you'll think to replace it, it's too late - you're at the poll on your lunch break and the bus to the DMV is a 2 hour roundtrip, plus you don't have any cash on you.

Or elderly people that don't drive anymore so they don't renew their ID. No one is carding them anywhere. Why go to the trouble?

Photo ID requirements are a newer thing. In the old days they had a big huge poll book and they matched your signature. And voter fraud at the individual level is really rare, who's going to go to the trouble? It's usually a family member that could fake it anyway. There are also other ways to confirm if a voter is who they say they are.

[–] womeninlove 0 points (+1|-1)

In densely populated places where there is more public transport, it is more widespread to have people without driver's licenses and states can/do issue photo identification apart from a license to drive. This ID is important for a lot of reasons: you need it to prove your age for age-restricted services (like buying alcohol or getting into a club), to get on a plane, to apply for unemployment, health insurance, and other benefits or services. Just today I was required to show my ID at a doctor's office--had I not had one I would have been very unlikely to be in the position of getting a health care, but I'd also not have been able to access the specific appointment I had today.

I understand what you're saying, but the point I'm trying to make is that when I see the topic of voter ID and the push to eliminate the need for it, I see a big missed opportunity. People disenfranchised because they have no photo or other identification card to vote are likely to be hurting in so many respects--they are essentially invisible to society and wouldn't be able to access the social safety net that they should have, let alone get something like a mortgage. Let the need for voter ID provide the motivation and, hopefully, funding for the government to start alleviating the problem. I don't want politicians to just check off that one small symptom of disenfranchisement or poverty and call it a day--these other needs will still exist. I just had to pay $100 for a REAL ID last year so I will be able to get on a plane in the future (after covid crosses fingers). I know there are cheaper options short of REAL ID, but this is way too much for many people. There needs to be change about both the access as it currently exists for communities who don't have it and the process/cost of obtaining ID. Linking that reform to the right to vote could be a powerful thing.

[–] RememberThis 26 points (+26|-0)

I think firing her they proved her point

[–] crispycherrypie 13 points (+15|-2)

They absolutely did. She was fired for being a Conservative.

[–] Jazman1867 14 points (+14|-0)

Not quite, she got fired for refusing to do what she was told and the House of Mouse made an example out of her.

[–] crispycherrypie 21 points (+21|-0)

For her non-woke, mostly standard Republican beliefs though.

I don’t agree with her at all but she was absolutely fired for being unabashedly not left-wing.

[–] Artemis 23 points (+23|-0) Edited

My roommate defended her firing and I'm still mad about it. When I told her it was stifling people's speech, she started talking about there being no "freedom from consequences", and had a huge smug grin on her face. Think she realizes it's seriously hurting people, but since they're not of the same political persuasion as her, and today's political attitudes are more based on tribalism than ideals, she's just happy for an excuse to silence people who aren't on her side.

I told her a reasonable "consequence" for saying something offensive or something unpopular was to lose (presumably liberal/woke) friends, not to lose jobs and that this was going too far and should be taken seriously, because we shouldn't have to always say what's popular.

She only really considered my side when I pointed out that what's popular changes, and people with a grudge can and do turn to 10+ year old social media posts/other speech that haven't aged well. But that still means that it fails to occur to her why "being on the right side of current popular discourse" is not and should not be a requirement to express one's views (without undue pressures, including legal and monetary CONSEQUENCES).

getting fired from a job as a result of legal, if unpopular speech means that freedom of speech is only a right for rich people.

[–] Mikkal 1 points (+1|-0)

I'm a liberal, and liberals believe that Freedom of Speech has limits - not consequences. If there are "consequences" for protected speech, then it's not actually protected.

[–] Artemis -1 points (+0|-1)

If you do a search for the phrase "freedom from consequences", you will find that many liberal-minded people today do believe that (certain) speech should have consequences. Of course, only they get to determine which speech has consequences.

[–] Mikkal 0 points (+0|-0) Edited

I am using this definition of liberal: "a supporter of a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise."

Not "I call myself liberal".

The opposite would be Authoritarian - "favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom". "Freedom has consequences" is an Authoritarian point of view. They argue "but I'm not saying the government should do it... personal business should..." - but that ignores the fact that the United States is full of private businesses that act as quasi-government agencies. Businesses ARE a form of government - they run our medicine, our utilities, our prisons, our media.... Not to mention many regulatory bodies are also independent businesses.

[–] dixiechick547 15 points (+16|-1)

Carano should’ve left social media after the beep/bop deal. ‘Don’t mess with the mouse’ is an old truism in the industry. Disney doesn’t give a damn one way or another about anything but money and they will fire you.

Was she fired for being a conservative? Nope. She was fired for being a Trumper which is a wholly different story. Especially so soon after an attempted white supremacist coup. She is still supporting racist shit like voter ID laws.

Either way, they put a target on her back and she stupidly walked into their trap. Presumably having a social media account is a requirement these days for actors. There is no requirement to be political on it. If she couldn’t maintain her political equilibrium she could’ve passed it off to her assistant.

I want to support her because I believe in free speech, and the fact that she was targeted. But mainly I’m indifferent.

[–] darksunset 19 points (+19|-0)

Disney is cool with hiring predators that promote pedos like James Gunn that tweet and promote the Holocaust, pedophilia, and rape. Or Pedro Pascal who made the same comparison as Gina Carrano. There was no apology that would have been sufficient for TRAs. They have been calling for her head since last year.

I agree though, celebs are morons and shouldn't have social media accounts. Wish young people had real role models.

[–] ciorafinska 5 points (+6|-1)

Presumably having a social media account is a requirement these days for actors. There is no requirement to be political on it.

A celebrity would get dragged by liberals for staying quiet on politics, or certain political matters anyway.

[–] pennygadget 9 points (+9|-0)

A celebrity would get dragged by liberals for staying quiet on politics, or certain political matters anyway.

This is true. Taylor Swift tried being apolitical for a while; and liberals with nothing better to do with their lives gave her shit about it. I recall it becoming so ridiculous it became a meme among some right wing pundits ("[thing] happened. And Taylor Swift is strangely silent")

[–] dixiechick547 4 points (+5|-1)

That’s not what I’ve seen. I don’t follow that many celebrities but I do follow a few. Some are political but most just seem to stick to talking about their shows or their fun stuff their doing. Of course they all have their charity or pet projects. It’s clear that most aren’t making the posts themselves which IMO is the best way to play it. It’s just too dangerous these days. I would just ignore political questions.

[–] Calico 10 points (+10|-0) Edited

There she was told that her mistake was that she gave a logical explanation to an emotional problem.

Stupid women with their hysterical... logic?

I think we all strongly suspected that it was really about the pronoun thing, but even Lucas film/Disney knew it was a bad look to fire her on the spot just for that. Unfortunately she does have some actual unsavory political takes and she didn’t have quite enough self-awareness or at least PR savvy to know where the line is, so she gave them the rope they needed to hang her with.

The zoom meeting thing with the alphabet soup activists sounds like a horrifying struggle session meant to gaslight and intimidate her. Why the fuck did there need to be 40 of them?! Is kweer consulting the only viable career option for the ones who aren’t in IT, game development, or were already independently wealthy first world dipshits who can spend all day on Twitter?

Anyway. I don’t know if I would have quit on the spot for merely being asked to do that, or if I’d try to secretly film it and expose them. Just imagine how insane it would have been.

[–] vauqueline 9 points (+9|-0)

What was the Holocaust comparison you reference? I heard about something she posted about how fascist governments took advantage of people's mistrust to get them to rat out their own neighbours, but that's all I know.

[–] PumpkinSpiceVagina 12 points (+14|-2)

That's literally all it was but people were like "she's comparing conservatives to Jews and that's super offensive" because they have been desperate for another reason to fire her ever since she dared to mock their stupid pronouns.

[–] Calico 8 points (+8|-0)

Nazi/Hitler/Holocaust analogies are almost always terrible rhetorical devices that people just can’t seem to resist using no matter how much of a false equivalency it is (that’s why Godwin’s Law exists lol), but it sure is interesting how it was perfectly ok to make these kind of apparently now very offensive comparisons as long as you were doing it to an acceptable target.

I would bet money that thousands of Twitter idiots have already called Gina Carano a literal nazi.

[–] questioningtw 5 points (+6|-1)

How was that beep, bop, boop even offensive really? Asking people to put pronouns in bios is weird! I agree that posting the anti mask bullshit was completely irresponsible as we the election fraud really...however I am on the fence about her being fired. It sounds like she was treated pretty horribly, and I hope Pedro Pascal defends her as well.

[–] hellamomzilla 2 points (+2|-0)

There was also probably someone who actually used those as custom pronouns, anyway. I've certainly seen individuals proclaim weirder things when they try to boss adults around and control them.

[–] crlody 4 points (+11|-7)

any other nerds look up her birthday to confirm your suspicion that she's an aries?

[–] Calico 5 points (+6|-1)

I don’t know why you got downvoted, this made me laugh.

My Mars and Mercury are in Aries and I would get cancelled in 10 minutes if I were famous

[–] crlody 2 points (+3|-1)

Ikr, was kinda sad no one here likes to just... Have fun..sigh.

Anyway, my mercury is also in aries so yes I would be in the same boat lol

Mars is in taurus though so maybe I'd be ok? Lol nah, that aries mercury is full on foot-in-mouth, idk if there's anything that can help it

[–] salty-tomorrow 0 points (+1|-1) Edited

My Moon and Mars are in Aries. People on the internet love to hate on astrology, but I’m right there with you lol