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Check out the comments on this Huffington Post article.

Some excerpts, in no particular order (emphasis mine):

There needs to be a way to write about this issue without reducing it to right vs left or religious vs secular.

Another point of view is that these are efforts to protect young women athletes and guarantee them a level playing field. For many high school aged girls their athletic performance is the ticket to a scholarship or college attendance. Competing against trans athletes, many who have not undergone surgical transformation and who clearly present with distinct physical advantages as in the case in Connecticut may make it impossible for girls to use this avenue to higher education.

This is not about denying trans athletes, and let's face it no boy athletes are going to be displaced, an opportunity to play a sport and compete. It is about fairness and the fact is young men have distinct physiological advantages and when they transition these advantages do not disappear.

57 up votes, 3 down

Exactly. I'm so tired of every issue be framed as a left vs. right, Dem vs. Republican.

I'm a liberal... have always been a liberal... will always be a liberal...

But I'm also a former athlete and sports writer. As a high school cross country runner, I could not crack our varsity line-up. (Our boys team finished third in the state my senior year, so it wasn't easy to be one of the five fastest guys on our team.) But I could keep up with the top girl on our team, who happened to be the fifth-best female runner in the entire state.

Despite the sub-header with this article, allowing transgender athletes to compete on women's and girls teams is not a "phony concern." This is about biology and the very real, as you put it, "distinct physiological advantages."

The best athlete I covered as a sports writer was an all-state volleyball and basketball player, who also won multiple state track and field championships. Most males, however, were faster than her and could jump higher.

I don't know what the solution would be here, other than to create separate teams for trans-athletes. Or do we just eliminate gender-based segregation in sports enitrely, setting aside a half-century of progress in women's sports?

55 up votes, 4 down

Males that are transitioning or have transitioned to females still have some biological advantages of being a male. That's just how it is. It's not wrong or prejudice to point that out and be critical of the advantage it plays.

Unfortunately, for it to truly be a level playing field, we would have to have gender neutral sports or separate transgender leagues. Both which seem like worse options.

183 up votes, 12 down

Nobody is “restricting” anyone’s rights.

As a matter of fact, voting against this would be solidifying women’s rights.

To put it another way, how many women commenting here feel comfortable competing in physical sports against men? How many mothers are ok with daughters having to compete for a sports scholarship in women’s sports against men?

Women’s rights just took a big hit.

88 up, 4 down

Or, you could frame this as protecting girls' and women's athletic leagues and competitions from boys and men who will overrun and outperform them. Because male bodies should compete against male bodies, and female against female, and that is not discrimination.

Framing trans athletes are victims is not being very honest.

47 up, 1 down

And my favorite:

It isn't just republicans concerned about men in women sports. Why is it always women's rights and spaces that are under attack from TRA'S? Expressing concern about the loss and erasure of women and women's hard fought for sex based rights and protections is now considered transphobic and hate speech. They are even trying to censor the words women use to define their experiences and their own bodies.

57 up, 4 down

Edited to actually make the asterisks make things bold in some places

[Check out the comments on this Huffington Post article. ](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/republicans-anti-trans-athlete-legislation_n_6033bdebc5b66dfc10204305#comments) Some excerpts, in no particular order (emphasis mine): > There needs to be a way to write about this issue without reducing it to right vs left or religious vs secular. > Another point of view is that **these are efforts to protect young women athletes and guarantee them a level playing field**. For many high school aged girls their athletic performance is the ticket to a scholarship or college attendance. Competing against trans athletes, many who have not undergone surgical transformation and who clearly present with distinct physical advantages as in the case in Connecticut may make it impossible for girls to use this avenue to higher education. > **This is not about denying trans athletes, and let's face it no boy athletes are going to be displaced, an opportunity to play a sport and compete. It is about fairness and the fact is young men have distinct physiological advantages and when they transition these advantages do not disappear.** 57 up votes, 3 down > Exactly. I'm so tired of every issue be framed as a left vs. right, Dem vs. Republican. > I'm a liberal... have always been a liberal... will always be a liberal... > But I'm also a former athlete and sports writer. As a high school cross country runner, I could not crack our varsity line-up. (Our boys team finished third in the state my senior year, so it wasn't easy to be one of the five fastest guys on our team.) But I could keep up with the top girl on our team, who happened to be the fifth-best female runner in the entire state. > **Despite the sub-header with this article, allowing transgender athletes to compete on women's and girls teams is not a "phony concern." This is about biology and the very real, as you put it, "distinct physiological advantages."** > The best athlete I covered as a sports writer was an all-state volleyball and basketball player, who also won multiple state track and field championships. Most males, however, were faster than her and could jump higher. > I don't know what the solution would be here, other than to create separate teams for trans-athletes. Or do we just eliminate gender-based segregation in sports enitrely, setting aside a half-century of progress in women's sports? 55 up votes, 4 down > **Males that are transitioning or have transitioned to females still have some biological advantages of being a male. That's just how it is. It's not wrong or prejudice to point that out and be critical of the advantage it plays.** > Unfortunately, for it to truly be a level playing field, we would have to have gender neutral sports or separate transgender leagues. Both which seem like worse options. 183 up votes, 12 down > **Nobody is “restricting” anyone’s rights.** > **As a matter of fact, voting against this would be solidifying women’s rights.** > To put it another way, how many women commenting here feel comfortable competing in physical sports against men? How many mothers are ok with daughters having to compete for a sports scholarship in women’s sports against men? > **Women’s rights just took a big hit.** 88 up, 4 down > **Or, you could frame this as protecting girls' and women's athletic leagues and competitions from boys and men who will overrun and outperform them. Because male bodies should compete against male bodies, and female against female, and that is not discrimination.** > **Framing trans athletes are victims is not being very honest.** 47 up, 1 down And my favorite: >**It isn't just republicans concerned about men in women sports. Why is it always women's rights and spaces that are under attack from TRA'S? Expressing concern about the loss and erasure of women and women's hard fought for sex based rights and protections is now considered transphobic and hate speech. They are even trying to censor the words women use to define their experiences and their own bodies.** 57 up, 4 down *Edited to actually make the asterisks make things bold in some places*

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[–] allezallezallez 33 points (+33|-0)

These quoted comments definitely give me a sense of hope, but good god that sub headline makes my blood boil:

“The bills are obvious attempts to restrict LGBTQ rights under the guise of solving phony concerns about athletic advantage.”

Agreed. I was surprised because the Huffington Post is so ideologically entrenched in this stuff, but their readers are pushing back it seems. Sports really does seem to be a peaking point for a lot of people.

[–] dixiechick547 25 points (+25|-0) Edited

Sports really is a bridge too far. Even people who don’t care about women’s sports know enough to know how unfair this is.

And sports will bring a greater scrutiny to the ‘trans rights’ movement. Scrutiny they really can’t afford. Which is why I don’t understand why they’re going about it this way.

This is how they destroyed ENDA. Which would’ve given LGBT protection in employment and housing. They objected to there being an exemption for religion and sex. This Equality Act is doing the same thing and they’re going to lose again.

If they can’t find blind acceptance in the HP they need to turn around and regroup.

[–] Ave_Lucifuge 16 points (+16|-0) Edited

It's just the blatant reality denialism, I think. TRAs can gaslight the public on a lot of issues because they use all sorts of scientific and progessive jargon, but everyone has gone through puberty. Adults know the difference between a teenage male body vs a female, you can't handwave that away because we've all lived it.

[–] BeachLover 2 points (+2|-0)

Which is why I'm relieved we didn't have the Olympics this year. It might have hurt Biden. And black women seem to be way smarter about this issue than the liberal white handmaidens I see online.

[–] jelliknight 4 points (+4|-0)

Its so deliberately obscuring. They know they're lying.

Could the author explain how the Bill could possibly restrict the rights of lesbians? Of gay men? Of bisexuality people? No, its just the T, and the author is using the other letters as a human shield.

[–] allezallezallez 3 points (+3|-0)

I was just describing this article to my husband tonight and I said basically the exact same thing. I'm so sick of the LGBs getting bogged down with the T. I am not a member of the LGB community myself but I race and train with many Ls. They're not involved in destroying women's sports! Ughhhhh so frustrating.

[–] BeachLover 2 points (+2|-0)

They also quote junk science. Or actually, no science at all about the advantages men retain even after hormones. The far left on this issue are quite Trumpian in their lies and violent threats.

[–] Gypsy2412 21 points (+21|-0)

I read that article yesterday, which is a woke click bate hit piece on mostly conservative run states trying to uphold some of the hard earned rights of girls and women. I was fuming after reading it. I went to the comments expecting to read an outpouring of support for the poor trans athletes but was pleasantly surprised that the majority of the comments were in support of female only sports teams. And a lot were from men (at least by their user names) and linked to articles and studies to support their claims of support. That made me feel hopeful.

The article was on HuffPo front page yesterday. It's buried today. I had to search for it. Guess they didn't get the response they were expecting from overwhelming "Nope" comments they received. THAT made me laugh out loud!

Thanks for posting this. I hope more people will read the comments.

I don't usually read Huffington Post--my mom sent it to me saying to check out the comments. I'm actually surprised they left the comments up. NYTimes would have silenced everyone by now.

[–] Gypsy2412 12 points (+12|-0)

That's funny!

HuffPo was never a really "good" or objective news source but it was better-ish before it was sold to AOL. Now, it's a DNC/woke/identity politics news source, IMO. I still go there to see what is the !!!!!! OMG CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS!!!! for the day so I can see what I'm supposed to be upset about (snark). And they used to have some cute animal stuff but that is gone too. I seldom click on any of their articles but that one caught my attention.

I'm surprised they left the comments too but now they've buried the article so I guess it doesn't much matter. Thanks again for posting it. Peace!

[–] zuubat 3 points (+3|-0)

I just checked it out, four hours since you posted your comment here, and it seems the comments are no longer there.

I still see them up, but Huffington Post’s site is awful and very browser dependent. I had to use chrome on a computer to see them.

[–] hellamomzilla 16 points (+16|-0)

The downside of this is that it means Huffington Post will stop allowing comments on this topic. Seems they were just slow to the punch, because very few sites allow any comments on this topic. Which is ridiculous.

[–] GCat 13 points (+13|-0)

Trans ideology is not an organic movement. It has come this far because of top down policies to amplify TRA voices and mass censorship.

[–] MsTig0 12 points (+12|-0)

Much easier to pretend that no one disagrees if you don't let anyone comment.

[–] NotCis 10 points (+10|-0)

They'll lock the comments, keep putting their heads in the sand like all Dems, and then be "shocked" and "saddened" when Trump wins again in 2024. People don't want to accept that for many Americans, sports are their life. They freaking love sports, they want their kids to play sports, and they have eyes so they can see that it's not fair for boys to compete against girls. Really pissed that this is the hill Dems want to die on when they should be focusing on the pandemic, climate change, abortion access for women, and so many other ACTUAL issues.

[–] Hollyhock 3 points (+3|-0)

I know...the minimum wage should be far bigger of an issue that would actually help real people in real life, not imaginary identities in internet life.

[–] Womancup 7 points (+7|-0)

How can you see the comments? I'm on mobile and I can't see any comments section (and this website is obnoxious)

[–] Griffxx 5 points (+5|-0)

I hope the traction this issue, leads people to view what TRAs are saying about biological sex being a social construct.

[–] Hollyhock 4 points (+4|-0)

The general public...and most democrats are not on board w/ this.

[–] [Deleted] 2 points (+2|-0)

How long do you think before they lock the comments?

[–] Felis_margarita [OP] 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

Either that or they’ll leave them up and in two months when well-adjusted people have forgotten this article, the trans brigade will go through and downvote/report everything to oblivion

[–] BeachLover 1 points (+1|-0)

This is a huge wedge issue and one that we can use to wake people up to the other ways women are being erased and endangered. It seems as though even on a liberal website (and a lot of the commenters said they are liberals) this issue is insane to most people. I said before and I'll repeat that I'm really glad that the Olympics were delayed. The Olympics will peak millions of Americans and if this happened before the election, Biden may very well have lost.

[–] skaskull 1 points (+1|-0)

Reading the comments - that is really good. One thing that is on my mind, and I have not seen much discussion about this (NCAA scholarships). I wonder if people are aware that NCAA scholarships are more limited for boys' sports as compared to some girls' sports.

Music scholarships on other hand are really limitless - there are no limits to people getting a music scholarship. I learned from a director of school orchestra program that children have more advantages of getting a music scholarship than getting a sport scholarship for this very reason.

I don't have kids currently involved in sports. They are involved in music.

https://scholarshipstats.com/ncaalimits