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The 22yo man who murdered 5 and injured 25 in the Colorado Springs gay club shooting on Nov 20 was arrested for a bomb threat against his mother last year.

https://apnews.com/article/gun-violence-shootings-colorado-politics-springs-ee6fe797a50cfca1bccfcc051c588187

A year and a half before he was arrested in the Colorado Springs gay nightclub shooting that left five people dead, Anderson Lee Aldrich allegedly threatened his mother with a homemade bomb, forcing neighbors in surrounding homes to evacuate while the bomb squad and crisis negotiators talked him into surrendering.

Yet despite that scare, there’s no public record that prosecutors moved forward with felony kidnapping and menacing charges against Aldrich, or that police or relatives tried to trigger Colorado’s “red flag” law that would have allowed authorities to seize the weapons and ammo the man’s mother says he had with him.

Three of the dead victims have been identified so far, one of them a TIM and also a TIF who was a bartender there. Tragically they were killed on the Trans Day of Remembrance. The motives are still being investigated.

Already, trans activists are busy blaming this tragedy on feminists and gender critical gay people. And especially JK Rowling. Because of course.

https://twitter.com/billybragg/status/1594653101281234945?s=20&t=UQHfRAgY3X2gebRkKFMl8g

LGB Alliance corrected themselves since that but that's irrelevant. Even if you offered your condolences and mentioned trans people, TRAs would still claim you're part of the reason why this happened as they've been doing in the past years. Because of course women not wanting men in our spaces, not wanting children and mentally ill people mutilated, not tolerating the homophobia & misogyny of the trans movement are deemed responsible for violence committed by males. Males who have completely different goals and political views, this shooter was the grandson of a republican by the way so there's a chance he was your typical far right zealot... I just wish TRAs had the same outrage when women are assaulted or murdered by trans people, specifically TIMs. Which happens disturbingly often.

https://twitter.com/ALLIANCELGB/status/1594645547264221185?s=20&t=UQHfRAgY3X2gebRkKFMl8g

And Billy Bragg is a repulsive woman hating ghoul.

Edit: feminists are responsible for the actions of a man who was probably your average MRA but trans activists who lobby for male murderers to be put in women's prisons, single sex spaces to be erased, young girls to be mutilated are not responsible for the spread of misogyny, VAWG and detransitioning. OK sure.

The 22yo man who murdered 5 and injured 25 in the Colorado Springs gay club shooting on Nov 20 was arrested for a bomb threat against his mother last year. https://apnews.com/article/gun-violence-shootings-colorado-politics-springs-ee6fe797a50cfca1bccfcc051c588187 > A year and a half before he was arrested in the Colorado Springs gay nightclub shooting that left five people dead, Anderson Lee Aldrich allegedly threatened his mother with a homemade bomb, forcing neighbors in surrounding homes to evacuate while the bomb squad and crisis negotiators talked him into surrendering. > Yet despite that scare, there’s no public record that prosecutors moved forward with felony kidnapping and menacing charges against Aldrich, or that police or relatives tried to trigger Colorado’s “red flag” law that would have allowed authorities to seize the weapons and ammo the man’s mother says he had with him. Three of the dead victims have been [identified](https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/11/21/club-q-victims-names-identified-colorado-springs-shooting/10748557002/) so far, one of them a TIM and also a TIF who was a bartender there. Tragically they were killed on the Trans Day of Remembrance. The motives are still being investigated. Already, trans activists are busy blaming this tragedy on feminists and gender critical gay people. And especially JK Rowling. Because of course. https://twitter.com/billybragg/status/1594653101281234945?s=20&t=UQHfRAgY3X2gebRkKFMl8g LGB Alliance corrected themselves since that but that's irrelevant. Even if you offered your condolences and mentioned trans people, TRAs would still claim you're part of the reason why this happened as they've been doing in the past years. Because of course women not wanting men in our spaces, not wanting children and mentally ill people mutilated, not tolerating the homophobia & misogyny of the trans movement are deemed responsible for violence committed by males. Males who have completely different goals and political views, this shooter was the grandson of a republican by the way so there's a chance he was your typical far right zealot... I just wish TRAs had the same outrage when women are assaulted or murdered by trans people, specifically TIMs. Which happens disturbingly often. https://twitter.com/ALLIANCELGB/status/1594645547264221185?s=20&t=UQHfRAgY3X2gebRkKFMl8g And Billy Bragg is a repulsive woman hating ghoul. Edit: feminists are responsible for the actions of a man who was probably your average MRA but trans activists who lobby for male murderers to be put in women's prisons, single sex spaces to be erased, young girls to be mutilated are not responsible for the spread of misogyny, VAWG and detransitioning. OK sure.

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I highly doubt this shooter was reading Dworken, posting on Ovarit, or reading Rowling's essays in the days before he shot up a queer club. This is yet another bullshit MRA tactic to make women responsible for the bad behavior of men.

And for any TRA lurkers, this is NOT the same as us blaming the trans community for their bad apples. It IS your fault when a TIM impregnates women in a women's prison because Y'ALL ADVOCATED FOR THAT SHIT!!! Nobody here has ever called for a mass shooting against the TQs (and if they did, they'd be swiftly banned)

[–] cupcakes_and_shiraz 🧁🍷🥰 43 points

This. GC women don't hate trans people for existing, we detest gender ideology and the damage it's done to women and girls. I don't expect TRAs to be bright enough to make the distinction though because they'd have to recognize that they're not victims.

It's really galling that TRAs equate not wanting children to be medically transitioned or exposed to inappropriate adult sexuality with hating LGBT people and wanting them to be killed.

No one on Ovarit wants innocent people to die.

Imo if we did a poll I honestly think most of us here were some form of TRA in the past.

I do not and never have wanted trans ppl to die. The only time I've even come close is when I hear about a trans pedo but like..I also feel the same way about non-trans pedos so that doesn't count

Trans ppl deserve all the human rights. What they fail to see is that they have gone beyond rights into "privileges" territory. Nobody has an inherent right to use the opposite sex bathroom for fucks sakes.

Yeah, same. I wasn't a TRA, but I did believe in reasonable accommodations for trans people. I still do, it's just that activists are not content with moderation or compromise. They keep pushing and pushing and pushing until things get into bizarre and dangerous territory.

I am not against adults choosing medical transition. I wish the medical establishment was more ethical in how it handles adult transition, but I do believe in bodily autonomy. I peaked over what they are doing to children. Children cannot give consent. Children should not groomed or encouraged into believing they can be the opposite sex, let alone given irreversible medical treatments. If this had been kept to adults, I doubt I would ever have peaked.

It IS your fault when a TIM impregnates women in a women's prison because Y'ALL ADVOCATED FOR THAT SHIT!!

And you are exactly right. TRAs and libfems love to sling words like "racist" on radical feminists and anyone who disagrees with TRA and liberal arguments, but when you piece together the evidence of both TRAs and libfems making changes and those changes resulting in dire consequences, they will deny, deny, and deny that it's ever their fault and that their movement needs to rethink itself. They won't even say "okay we messed up, we'll back off and correct these mistakes with some new rules". No. What we get instead is "ummmm, yeah but that killer/abuser/rapist wasn't a REAL transgender!! This doesn't reflect our fight for human rights at all".

I hate these fucking people. I hate this fucking movement.

Srsly I got a comment deleted for saying I hope ppl beat the shit out of someone in jail. I'm not mad about it, just showcasing how anti violence this site is.

I always ask these TRAs for receipts to prove that the big bad terfs are responsible for violence, even threats of violence. Still haven't gotten one receipt

I just got a post deleted for mocking Sidhbh Gallagher's name. LOL

This site is insanely strict about civil discourse to the point where its annoying sometimes. But I can see why the mods are paranoid (since TRAs will take ANY little thing out of context to prove that we TERFs are conspiring to enact a trans genocide)

[–] LilOvaries 0 points Edited

I've seen an online radical feminist buckle and snap hard on a TRA by responding with some really mean, borderline threatening words. However, it was only after the TRA went back and forth for sooooo long and repeatedly acted sociopathic and dismissive of literal rape statistics and more evidence of the transgenderism movement being a corrupted one.

This is very different from the fact that TRAs respond in a bad way much more often, and unprovoked. A radical feminist won't even say anything offensive, and there will already be at least fifty death threats in her DMs from TRAs. They act like the rare, single digit instances of radical feminists saying something very cruel to them is proof that radical feminists are collectively horrible, or that women are "just as violent as men".

Just like the difference in violence between men and women, TRAs never need a real reason to go out and literally tell some fifteen year old girl to take her own life and get raped, and TRAs will say these things for years upon years with messages like this being sent every other day and by at least twenty of them. When a radical feminist snaps and goes sicko mode on a TRA, it's normally because she was repeatedly and obsessively provoked by activists in private messages, in open messages, or straight up in public.

When the few exceptions of radical feminists snap and get really cruel, I still stand with them because I know what it's like to be constantly targeted for harassment, and talked condescendingly to by a fact-denying, upper middle class activist who genuinely thinks they're on the right side of history. Trust me, you'll have to meditate after talking to one of those. I don't encourage really cruel responses to these activists, however, those provoked radical feminists have my sympathy, and my support still rests with them.

“Like a compass needle pointing north, a man’s accusing finger will always find a woman. Always.”

Goddamn. I really wish we had a “save comments” feature. There are some gold ones on this site.

Brilliant quote - do you know where it’s from?

It’s actually from a novel called “A Thousand Splendid Suns,” written by a male author — Khaled Hosseini. I wish it had been crafted by a female.

Yeah, men like this aren't at home furiously reading radical feminist literature. Nor do men like this care what women think, what our opinions or concerns are. No, men like this hate women. Yet somehow the TRA's think we have some kind of influence over them. Listen, if women had that kind of influence over violent men, there would be no more rapes, starting yesterday.

Also, wasn't it Rebecca Solnit who proposed we take violence against women as a warning sign of future terrorism, and start treating it accordingly? Here is yet another example. Women like his mother are how he practices and hones his violence.

If we had that kind of influence over men, there would not be a trans movement. There would be people who had diverse relationships with the concept of gender, and there would be LGB people, and no one would give a sweet shit because we'd have influenced them away from alllll their phobias.

[–] cupcakes_and_shiraz 🧁🍷🥰 38 points Edited

The shooter was a right wing nut job who wanted to blow up his own mother (and was out free despite such because of his MAGA loving politician grandfather). I fail to see how GC women are to blame for this, but leave it to TRAs to find a way. I bet if LGBA included the two trans victims in their statement, TRAs would drag them for something else.

That said, no one deserves to die because of their sexual orientation or gender identity, this includes both the deceased TIM and TIF.

This is the kind of sentiment and nuance I wish TRAs would listen to. I don't hate trans people, and I know quite a few. Knowing trans people is honestly WHY I peaked, because I saw the many ways that this ideology was being used as convenient camouflage for the issues they were trying to avoid dealing with. I saw so much internalized misogyny in TIFs and blatant misogyny in TIMs, and autism in just about everyone. I see them upholding their ideology that, from my sidelines view, seems to come from the same playbook as the MRA/incel outlook. I can't help but see that the way women are viewed and treated is the core problem in every direction.

Whatever men do, it’s womens fault.

I’m very saddened to hear of the murders of these people. Regardless of my opinion of trans I think it’s vile for them to be targeted and killed by a domestic terrorist. I fear that the club would have been targeted for being a gay club - not because of the trans but I’m sure that won’t stop TRAs using it as an oppertunity to be martyred.

Peace and love to their families and loved ones

In the NY Times, Michelle Goldberg is blaming this on people who oppose drag shows for kids. And sadly, most of the comments agree. It's like the entire Left is no longer capable of critical thinking. I'm discouraged today.

[–] cupcakes_and_shiraz 🧁🍷🥰 3 points

Michelle Goldberg is insufferable. She's also the same godshite who slut shamed/victim blamed the Loudoun county girl who was raped in the girl's bathroom of her high school.

The left is incapable of nuanced thinking.

The guy also comes from a MAGA family, so we know damn well the kind of environment that allowed this human waste to grow.

But yeah, it's totally JK Rowling's fault for saying sex is real.

Just like how men love to blame male-on-male devastation on women, trans-identified individuals love to misplace blame as well. Despite men being the vast majority of people who go out and murder transgenders, the TRA movement still finds a way to mental gymnastics the fault somehow landing on women who identify as radical feminists. Goes to show how much they hate women. When attacked, transgenderism activists leave the male perpetrators alone to yell at women and girls instead.

My TIM cousin told me that it's women's fault that men kill TIMs. I asked him how the fuck that works and he said "uh...they contribute to a culture!" Whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.

Interestingly though, he doesn't think that being a Depp supporter is him contributing to a culture of misogyny and violence against women. Really makes you think.

[–] LilOvaries 11 points Edited

I swear to God and all above, this movement is misogyny that wears lipstick and gets hormone injections. Your cousin is full of shit, and it's tough that you're forced to deal with his dumb ass. You're better than me, because I would have already snapped and ended up a one of those "bigoted relatives" that get complained about on a blog

Has no one sent Bragg up about his silence on the Dana Rivers issue? Because they should.

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