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After the Club Q shooter was revealed to be nonbinary, the usual suspects on TIM activist twitter have been screeching about it all day, and it's SO fucking incredible to watch how their desperate arguments are immediately negated by their OWN ideology.

"Why would a trans person attack a queer bar?" Why do so many transwomen kill women, then, if being part of a group should automatically include not killing people of that same group?

"He's just identifying as NB for less serious charges!" Oh but I thought that it was impossible and "never happens" that anyone would identify as trans for a lighter sentence. Don't y'all argue that trans people are MORE persecuted in law? Why would NB grant him privilege if you don't admit that trans people are a protected caste?

"It's suspicious that this only came out after the shooting!" But we're not allowed to question the hundreds of transwomen who miraculously discover their gender identity after being charged with crimes?

"He was identifying as a man two years ago!" And Dylan Mulvaney was a man 200 years ago. Does that mean he's not valid?

And all of their arguments can simply be shut down by their own beloved mantra: "trans people are who they say they are."

We're only following the rules YOU have set out. In accordance with your ideology his gender identity must be respected no matter his crime, misgendering him is just as bad as the crime, and his self identity is 100% valid regardless of literally anything.

The schadenfreude watching them have to face the inanity and illogic of their own ideology is delicious.

After the Club Q shooter was revealed to be nonbinary, the usual suspects on TIM activist twitter have been screeching about it all day, and it's SO fucking incredible to watch how their desperate arguments are immediately negated by their OWN ideology. "Why would a trans person attack a queer bar?" Why do so many transwomen kill women, then, if being part of a group should automatically include not killing people of that same group? "He's just identifying as NB for less serious charges!" Oh but I thought that it was impossible and "never happens" that anyone would identify as trans for a lighter sentence. Don't y'all argue that trans people are MORE persecuted in law? Why would NB grant him privilege if you don't admit that trans people are a protected caste? "It's suspicious that this only came out after the shooting!" But we're not allowed to question the hundreds of transwomen who miraculously discover their gender identity after being charged with crimes? "He was identifying as a man two years ago!" And Dylan Mulvaney was a man 200 years ago. Does that mean he's not valid? And all of their arguments can simply be shut down by their own beloved mantra: "trans people are who they say they are." We're only following the rules YOU have set out. In accordance with your ideology his gender identity must be respected no matter his crime, misgendering him is just as bad as the crime, and his self identity is 100% valid regardless of literally anything. The schadenfreude watching them have to face the inanity and illogic of their own ideology is delicious.

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[–] vulvapeople 61 points Edited

Why would a trans person attack a queer bar?

A TIM in Canada set fire to a pride flag several years ago. Homophobia is extremely common among TIPs, including the gay ones since they're trying to escape their sex and sexuality.

The arson was investigated as a hate crime until the police discovered a TIM did it.

Their whole ideology is insanely homophobic. They hate the fact that same sex attracted people don’t want them, despite their special gender.

They seem to hate people who are happy with themselves in their natural state... LGB rights are about accepting people for who they are whereas the TQ is all about forcing people to pretend you are something you are not.

So true! TIMs hate me because I'm the demographic they want to be hooking up with (feminine female lesbian) and I obviously won't, and they equally hate my butch wife because "she isn't even trying to look female" and still looks 1,000x more like a woman than they ever will. I had a TIM scream in my face in a lesbian bar one time after telling him I didn't want him to buy me a drink because I was on a date, he flew off the handle about how "you lesbians reject me for looking like a man, and then go and date a woman who looks like a man!" He was really losing his shit, but fortunately this was pre 2015 when TIPs gained immunity from all consequences of their actions, and the bar tender intervened.

Wow so fucked up that happened to you! Utterly delusional. I'm actually starting to believe that many of these TIMs really have a Map vs Terrain problem. They mistake the trappings of femininity (trying hard!) for being actually female.

[–] Tiramisuomi 9 points Edited

What the fuck is the matter with that clown? What could be more stereotypically male than reacting like that to being told "no thank you, I'm with my partner literally right now"?

That's a legit incel --> trans case, clearly. Bless that bartender. I want to believe it would still happen these days but who knows. Maybe the whole crowd would gather around and chant "cotton ceiling must be breached"

What an absolute freak! That must’ve been horrible.

I’m convinced men are blind/wilfully unobservant, and think makeup/clothes = woman. They see the (often garish) trappings and not the features underneath - hence “butch lesbians look like men” 😐

They hate that women who don’t buy into gender roles are still women, whereas they try so hard and spend every waking moment worrying about “passing”.

Women just existing as women is “transphobic”, since we remind them constantly of what they are not. And lesbians are the worst, because their female only attraction is invalidating to the entitled men 🙄

LGB is all about the T these days and it really is sad.

It really is. When I see that ugly flag I feel so angry. The T is in direct conflict with LGB, since it aims to gaslight and bully same SEX attracted people.

Exactly. If TWAW, why would they work so hard to shut down WOMENS domestic violence shelters??

[–] Stealthygal 18 points Edited

I do find it interesting that Club Q called itself a gay bar, although it was obviously open to all flavors of the TQ and straight people as well. They knew who their market was.

Isn't it just a bar at that point lol.

Well most gay bars allow straight people in, if they're with gay patrons. At least that's how it was when I was growing up, though the older gay men didn't like us straight girls being there. (Homosexuality was still technically illegal at that time, and I realised later that they just wanted a space of their own where they could feel safe. Of course WE liked going because we could dance and have fun without being hit on by creeps, so, also safe.)

Apart from that, many mass shooters go after places where they have some kind of connection, perhaps where they know somebody. Think of workplace shooters, or Columbine.