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After the Club Q shooter was revealed to be nonbinary, the usual suspects on TIM activist twitter have been screeching about it all day, and it's SO fucking incredible to watch how their desperate arguments are immediately negated by their OWN ideology.

"Why would a trans person attack a queer bar?" Why do so many transwomen kill women, then, if being part of a group should automatically include not killing people of that same group?

"He's just identifying as NB for less serious charges!" Oh but I thought that it was impossible and "never happens" that anyone would identify as trans for a lighter sentence. Don't y'all argue that trans people are MORE persecuted in law? Why would NB grant him privilege if you don't admit that trans people are a protected caste?

"It's suspicious that this only came out after the shooting!" But we're not allowed to question the hundreds of transwomen who miraculously discover their gender identity after being charged with crimes?

"He was identifying as a man two years ago!" And Dylan Mulvaney was a man 200 years ago. Does that mean he's not valid?

And all of their arguments can simply be shut down by their own beloved mantra: "trans people are who they say they are."

We're only following the rules YOU have set out. In accordance with your ideology his gender identity must be respected no matter his crime, misgendering him is just as bad as the crime, and his self identity is 100% valid regardless of literally anything.

The schadenfreude watching them have to face the inanity and illogic of their own ideology is delicious.

After the Club Q shooter was revealed to be nonbinary, the usual suspects on TIM activist twitter have been screeching about it all day, and it's SO fucking incredible to watch how their desperate arguments are immediately negated by their OWN ideology. "Why would a trans person attack a queer bar?" Why do so many transwomen kill women, then, if being part of a group should automatically include not killing people of that same group? "He's just identifying as NB for less serious charges!" Oh but I thought that it was impossible and "never happens" that anyone would identify as trans for a lighter sentence. Don't y'all argue that trans people are MORE persecuted in law? Why would NB grant him privilege if you don't admit that trans people are a protected caste? "It's suspicious that this only came out after the shooting!" But we're not allowed to question the hundreds of transwomen who miraculously discover their gender identity after being charged with crimes? "He was identifying as a man two years ago!" And Dylan Mulvaney was a man 200 years ago. Does that mean he's not valid? And all of their arguments can simply be shut down by their own beloved mantra: "trans people are who they say they are." We're only following the rules YOU have set out. In accordance with your ideology his gender identity must be respected no matter his crime, misgendering him is just as bad as the crime, and his self identity is 100% valid regardless of literally anything. The schadenfreude watching them have to face the inanity and illogic of their own ideology is delicious.

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[–] GCRadFem 39 points

Preddit white people twitter is quite too much. Not uploading but I copied this:

“This is a public service announcement explaining the rules of this subreddit as it comes to the recent Colorado Springs murders and the position of this subreddit on LGBTQ+ people and the propaganda against them.

As part of their defense, the legal team of the Colorado Springs nightclub shooter has claimed that their defendant is nonbinary.

This would avoid them being charged with a hate crime.

The extreme-right has latched on to this news with the jubilant claim that it is not their relentless and vicious demonisation of queer and gender-nonconforming people that is to blame for the rise in violence against them. Instead they claim "the call came from inside the house".

Please be advised that on this subreddit such rhetoric will be met with a permanent and non-appealable ban.

Despite the claims of the extreme-right, it is a fact that endless stochastic terrorism from people like Matt Walsh, Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor-Greene et al. have fostered an atmosphere in the US which has led to a rise in violent threats against non-cishet people.

Their endless lies and hate means that children's hospitals now receive bomb threats for normal, medically and psychiatrically advised care.

It means that normal, fun and age-appropriate events for minors are now threatened by brownshirts.

It means that bills are passed which attempt to illegalise trans people existing in public.

All this and more is the direct result of the endless stochastic terrorism from the extreme-right.

Let's be clear: Say for the sake of argument that the shooter identifies as non-binary. It is then still a fallacious and unacceptable argument to claim that their actions come from an inherent problem inside the LGBTQ+ community.

Instead we know that the murderer comes from an extreme-right family and that their families political connections helped them evade a red-flag gun law.

With their familial and cultural background the shooter will have been exposed to an endless barrage of anti-LGBTQ+ propaganda. It is not reasonable to claim that their identity absolves the extreme-right from its responsibility in this and similar tragedies, when it is their unending stochastic terrorism which fans the flames of hatred 24/7.

Fascism is an inherently empty ideology, devoid of any meaningful belief-system or any kind of concrete and actionable strategies for improving society. Fascism only cares for power for the sake of power and it cares for nothing else.

Because a fascist system is fundamentally incapable of giving the general public any kind of reasonable platform it must gain and keep followers by creating an out-group to hate. According to fascist systems it is the other that is responsible for all societal ills and only by supporting the fascists in getting rid of the other can society be healed from the non-existent issues fascism convinces people that their target minority is the cause of.

Fascism always picks on a vulnerable target.

The demonisation and villification coming from the extreme-right is doing exactly that. By calling LGBTQ+ people child molestors simply for existing it has become inevitable that people will take up violence "to protect the children".

This subreddit will not tolerate such rhetoric.

Not any of it.

Drag is not inherently sexual.

Gender-affirming care is medically and psychiatrically recommended and proven to improve lives.

Trans children often know they are trans when their gender identity develops, around the age of five.

LGBTQ+ people visibly existing is not "grooming" and children knowing about the existence of LGBTQ+ people is not harmful to them.

Being transgender or intersex is a normal and natural variant of the human experience. Being trans is not inherently harmful to either the trans person, nor their surroundings.

This subreddit is a sanctuary space.

Extreme-right rhetoric will be harshly dealt with.

So if you want to sneer at people and claim that it was not the fault of the hateful and dangerous atmosphere created by fascist propaganda that violence against LGBTQ+ people is committed then you can do it elsewhere.

It is not allowed here.

Please help this mod team by reporting fascist rhetoric.”


Delusional to their very core.

[–] Nediljka_Orwell PITA crone 3 points

Fascism is an inherently empty ideology, devoid of any meaningful belief-system or any kind of concrete and actionable strategies for improving society. Fascism only cares for power for the sake of power and it cares for nothing else.

<Peers over glasses> "Really? Ya don't say!"