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After the Club Q shooter was revealed to be nonbinary, the usual suspects on TIM activist twitter have been screeching about it all day, and it's SO fucking incredible to watch how their desperate arguments are immediately negated by their OWN ideology.

"Why would a trans person attack a queer bar?" Why do so many transwomen kill women, then, if being part of a group should automatically include not killing people of that same group?

"He's just identifying as NB for less serious charges!" Oh but I thought that it was impossible and "never happens" that anyone would identify as trans for a lighter sentence. Don't y'all argue that trans people are MORE persecuted in law? Why would NB grant him privilege if you don't admit that trans people are a protected caste?

"It's suspicious that this only came out after the shooting!" But we're not allowed to question the hundreds of transwomen who miraculously discover their gender identity after being charged with crimes?

"He was identifying as a man two years ago!" And Dylan Mulvaney was a man 200 years ago. Does that mean he's not valid?

And all of their arguments can simply be shut down by their own beloved mantra: "trans people are who they say they are."

We're only following the rules YOU have set out. In accordance with your ideology his gender identity must be respected no matter his crime, misgendering him is just as bad as the crime, and his self identity is 100% valid regardless of literally anything.

The schadenfreude watching them have to face the inanity and illogic of their own ideology is delicious.

After the Club Q shooter was revealed to be nonbinary, the usual suspects on TIM activist twitter have been screeching about it all day, and it's SO fucking incredible to watch how their desperate arguments are immediately negated by their OWN ideology. "Why would a trans person attack a queer bar?" Why do so many transwomen kill women, then, if being part of a group should automatically include not killing people of that same group? "He's just identifying as NB for less serious charges!" Oh but I thought that it was impossible and "never happens" that anyone would identify as trans for a lighter sentence. Don't y'all argue that trans people are MORE persecuted in law? Why would NB grant him privilege if you don't admit that trans people are a protected caste? "It's suspicious that this only came out after the shooting!" But we're not allowed to question the hundreds of transwomen who miraculously discover their gender identity after being charged with crimes? "He was identifying as a man two years ago!" And Dylan Mulvaney was a man 200 years ago. Does that mean he's not valid? And all of their arguments can simply be shut down by their own beloved mantra: "trans people are who they say they are." We're only following the rules YOU have set out. In accordance with your ideology his gender identity must be respected no matter his crime, misgendering him is just as bad as the crime, and his self identity is 100% valid regardless of literally anything. The schadenfreude watching them have to face the inanity and illogic of their own ideology is delicious.

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I’ve said repeatedly that if the one most sacrosanct dogma of the trans religion is that No Identities Can Be Questioned, then they cannot simply declare someone to not be “really trans” the second they get caught being an asshole.

From the same people who say they wouldn’t misgender Hitler “out of principle”

The issue is that the elite and elite institutions have embraced this ludicrous trans/NB ideology. Truly out of touch elite that is this devoid of material reality. It’s funny that it went from being like “the right wing’s anti-trans rhetoric killed those people at the gay bar” to ignoring the fact that this man identifies as NB and uses they/them pronouns.

"Why would a trans person attack a queer bar?"

Good question. While we're on the topic, why would they attack and ostracize their own like Blaire White, Buck Angel, and any other trans-identifying person who dares to question the current brand of transideology?

"He's identifying as NB for less serious charges!"

But the woman-beating, kidnapping, groomer Ezra Miller is completely genuine though, right?

"It's suspicious that this only came out after the shooting!"

Right, just like it's suspicious Liam Thomas came out after swimming right in the middle of his collegiate swim career. Seems like he KNEW he only had two more years left he could actually be competitive...

"He was identifying as a man two years ago!"

Again... Liam Thomas

Funny how all the commenters talking about the shooter over on Reddit have no problems assuming his pronouns and calling him "he."

I guess the whole "aCsHtUaLlY... THEY use they/them pronouns. I know they're a monster, but if we misgender we're no better than them" song and dance ONLY applies when they target women.

guess the whole "aCsHtUaLlY... THEY use they/them pronouns. I know they're a monster, but if we misgender we're no better than them" song and dance ONLY applies when they target women.

Literally LMAO. Just look how they defended Chris Chan’s supposed identity as a trans lesbian, and would go haywire if you dared to use he/him when it came out that he raped his mother. Now they’re angry that the shooter is being associated with their side.

[–] T3RRFIC 3 points Edited

Their lunacy simply doesn't stand up to large scale events like this.

These more public events & mainstream situations expose the cracks in their case.

It's really sad that it will inevitably take more tragedies like shootings, rapes/assaults etc for the wider public to really see what's going on.

Am Aussie & staunch believer in gun control, yet still Right Wing to these clowns.

"So all trans women are women but not all women are trans women. So we are admitting they are different."

This is the best line to reply with anytime TWAW is mentioned. Just ask if they mean all women are Trans!

So simple, yet so effective.

Yeah, whenever a TIM says "no one can ever tell the difference between cis and trans women" I respond "so am I trans then?" and they angrily respond "obviously not!" Guess you can tell then... They can certainly tell who the women are when it comes to their own dating preference, they're not sexually harassing and threatening to rape each other.

They want special treatment, but will eventually have to settle for equality.

Next time will be sure to ask "What are the ways you can tell I'm not trans?"...

It's amazing the way they are denying and questioning his nonbinary gender. Which goes against their own sacred ideology. They have no arguments to back it up, it's just their feeling, because non-binary is the most vague ass thing, so it's just "he's not because i know so".

"He's just identifying as NB for less serious charges!"

Nonbinary isn't going to beat that first degree murder charge. It's such a lame argument.

It really is. They just assume as well that he would be charged with a hate crime, which given the egregiousness of the crime probably isn't even necessary at this point.

I’m surprised so many people assume he’s trolling with the “nonbinary” shit, not just TRAs but even women on here.

Why is anyone making that assumption? I think unhinged violent TIMs are far more common than right wing homophobic hate crimes - my default assumption is that he sincerely regards himself as genderspecial.

[–] Chronicity 72 points Edited

It’s the Ontario shop teacher dilemma all over again.

Take the guy at his word that he’s trans and you’re admitting that the priestly caste contains criminals, perverts, and nutcases who don’t deserve the priestly status your movement demands.

Refuse to take the guy at his word that he’s trans and you’re doing exactly what TERFs do: treating him like any other member of his sex regardless of his expressed identity.

What amazes me is that so many of them cannot see the catch 22 themselves. They are just reacting to the news without thinking any of it through. It’s a reminder that they don’t have the capacity to keep this con going for very long. Developments like this really put a strain on their cognitive defenses; it’s like they are in a progressively worsening immunocompromised state while the world keeps bombarding them with virulent pathogens. Days are numbered.

I hope you’re right that the days are numbered with this ideology.

I've been commenting on reddit how this guy is 'non-binary' and have been getting downvoted for no reason. They don't like having their beliefs challenged. It's like "the only real trans are the ones who don't cause problems for us"

Such hypocritical bs.

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