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I like this part:

"She thinks the challenge is that we are unpicking centuries of societal conditioning. “There is a sense of indoctrination: thou shall not age, thou shall be valued only for what you look like; women are only worthy as long as they’ve got eggs. It’s thousands of years of thought that we’re undoing, but slowly.” Bonham Carter has said before that she thinks people are afraid of older women and I ask why. “I think it’s because we have found our power.”

[–] hmimperialtortie AGP = evil 42 points

Lot of fence-sitting there. And Depp vindicated? Pfft.

She makes the point largely not to speak against other famous people, and she notes that each celebrity now feels a responsibility to their fans that they didn’t have to in the past. Presumably, she is referring to before social media.

I think that was her way of saying that Radcliffe, Watson and Grint have legions of fans who practically DEMAND that they virtue signal on certain issues.

As if men with manners can never be abusers. Ick. It’s hard to accept that she was close to someone like that, I’m sure. But still… yuck. Definitely thought this would be a more uplifting read :/

What manners even though. I remember an interview with Kate Moss and she said on their first date this man told her to check his ass because he had something for her up his ass. It was a necklace, which she then wore and recalls proudly. He's never been nice, normal or polite. He's a psycho. And that's just one story on the mountain of shit he's responsible for.

It wasn't their first date. But it still involved hilariously getting her to finger his ass in public. Hilaaasrious!

I have seen other women who were close with Johnny Depp in his youth leap to his defence. However, a 30 year old man with a lot of career options and confidence in his celebrated looks is not the same as a 50+ alcoholic drug addict who probably knows he squandered his looks on his terrible lifestyle and is too old for the acting roles he became famous for. It's much easier to behave when you're feeling on top of your game and when you need to suck up to older professionals to get your jobs. These women were also stars in their own right (Kate Moss, Helena BC, Winona Ryder) so it is likely that he would be more charming and guarded with them, than with the relatively powerless Amber Heard.

[–] hmimperialtortie AGP = evil 6 points Edited

Same, lot of eye-rolling. And speaking for those worms Radcliffe and Watson, good grief. I’d hoped for another “Slytherin are the good guys!” moment, but nope.

[–] Amareldys 10 points Edited

I mean the reality is... he IS bouncing back. Sucks, but he is.

I just don't get it. But she effectively admitted she doesn't care if artists are evil.

[–] hmimperialtortie AGP = evil 7 points

Bouncing back isn’t the same as being vindicated, not a bit. He hasn’t been proven justified, or free of blame, or innocent, which vindicated means.

This. That she thinks Depp was vindicated. 🙄

[–] hmimperialtortie AGP = evil 13 points Edited

She’d have been accurate if she’d said the other “vindic” word - vindictive.

Why did she defend Johnny Depp?

Aw man! Came here over the moon because I love her as an actress and then this is the first thing I see. GROSS!

"It’s hard. One thing with the fame game is that there’s an etiquette that comes with it; I don’t agree with talking about other famous people.”

That, right after saying Amber Heard put herself on the pendulum so she could be a poster girl?? Depp sued her AND had it televised against her will.

Nah.

Absolutely, she's coming off out of touch. Why speak on something you're not fully informed about? And on behalf of men too. If there's one thing I would keep my mouth shut on if I was famous, it's support of men(especially Hollywood men ffs). If you're not in the position to speak against them, you could at least not support them.

I think because both her and Tim Burton are long-time friends and collaborators of Johnny Depp, they don’t want to acknowledge it’s true.

Plenty of people don’t want to believe their friends are abusers, even when there’s evidence. Sometimes even when they see it for themselves.

I can’t remember her name, but there is an Australian female comedian who was abuse and even strangled by her boyfriend and fellow comedian (who I believe is part of The Chaser team.) She was practically ordered by their peer group to stop talking about the assaults and their effect on her because it was making their friendship with their friend “uncomfortable” even though they witnessed some of the abuse. They literally prioritised their social “comfort” over her personal well-being and safety. She lost her job, friends and home and ended up moving to the UK to have to start again from nothing.

[–] Future Is Female 3 points

That part stood out for me too, what a hypocrite! I’m glad the interviewer left it in though.

I couldn't get past the headline claiming that Depp was vindicated. He was a years long abuser of multiple women. So much for her "insight."

It's good that she made some defense of Rowling. And her word choice was calibrated to mollify the twitter cancel crowd, But crazy that JK Rowling standing up for women puts her in the same ranks as Harvey Weinstein (rapist), Johnny Depp (abuser who discussed killing his wife), Woody Allen (pedophile rapist), and Roman Polanski (pedophile rapist). As if they are all simple victims of canceling and to accept one is to accept them all. The article's take on cancel culture is as stupid as cancel culture itself.

Defends? Just barely

[–] Free_Metis RadFemMcGonagall 29 points Edited

I would say she defended Rowling, definitely. Bonham Carter didn't say she agreed with Rowling, but she defended Rowling as a person, defended her right to state her opinions, and said the response Rowling has received for stating her opinion has been horrendous.

Team Slytherin continues winning 💚 🐍

It is the treatment of JK Rowling — Bonham Carter played Bellatrix Lestrange in the Harry Potter films — that she is most aggrieved about. Rowling has been heavily attacked by trans rights activists for her belief in the need for female-only spaces. “It’s horrendous, a load of bollocks. I think she has been hounded,” Bonham Carter says. “It’s been taken to the extreme, the judgmentalism of people. She’s allowed her opinion, particularly if she’s suffered abuse. Everybody carries their own history of trauma and forms their opinions from that trauma and you have to respect where people come from and their pain. You don’t all have to agree on everything — that would be insane and boring. She’s not meaning it aggressively, she’s just saying something out of her own experience.”

[–] hmimperialtortie AGP = evil 33 points

JKR is stating simple biological fact and talking about all women’s and girls’ right to and need for privacy and legal protections. She’s not talking just from her own experience. Bonham Carter seems to have missed the point on this as well as on Depp.

Yeah, the way she's said that feels like the shit I hear from men. Because we say all men and they say that's your trauma talking. "Bad experience" "not all men" "that's your trauma talking". Why does it always boil down to women being abused and we can only talk about things if we're abused. But also our opinion is less and misinformed because we're abused. It's bs.

[–] drinkwater 21 points Edited

I don't like how she's saying trauma shapes our opinion of TiMs. I don't like that at all, that's what men say about us.

That's fair, actually I agree, it's sad how someone defending Rowling at all seems like such a win.

I wonder if bonham carter (it's two last names right?) was trying to find words that wouldn't get her burned at the stake or if that's what she actually believes - and idk which is worse!

Yeah I think so too, but this word usage feels like she's blaming Rowling for the way she's reacting. Like our trauma is the reason we have this "wrong opinion" but still everyone is allowed "to have an opinion", as per her words. I just think it's very backwards thinking, and a disservice to the strength of JK Rowlings character, it cheapens what she's done. And the reason I'm taking such a dim view of what Carter has said(beyond the insulting words themselves) is because she also agrees with Depp, which tells me all I need to know on how she thinks.

[–] Free_Metis RadFemMcGonagall 20 points

It's really peculiar to me that the Slytherins have turned out to be decent people and the Gryffindors have turned out to be cowards. Bad casting, I suppose. 🤷‍♀️

Likely because they don't have as strong a need to be loved by everyone

The story of HP remains wonderful, despite this “twist in the tail” . I hope JKR is convinced of this.

I don't like this. Single-sex spaces aren't needed because of feelings or individual trauma or opinions. They are needed because of the fact that men are violent and attack and kill people, particularly women.

[–] flipendough 7 points Edited

she wasn't originally the first pick to play Bellatrix. Helen McCrory was pregnant and was later recasted as Bellatrix's sister.

HBC owned that role!