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And I'm not talking about the usual suspects, who are dancing around what they really want to say - that they see nothing wrong with anything Aimee has done (or his fiance, when you push them hard enough). No, I'm talking about the many, many people talking about how Aimee was also abused by his father, and how of course his perspective was warped by it.

And they're probably right! I have no doubt that being raised by the kind of person who'd imprison, torture, and rape a child fucks you up in countless ways. Yet these same people bleat about how it must have been worse for Aimee because trans, with zero acknowledgement that maybe, maybe the gender identity issues aren't separate from being raised by a pedophile who targeted young girls. It's not like young Ashton would have any reason to want to pretend to be a sexualized little girl to become what he thinks his pedo father wants, right?? Right?????

Ugh. Once again "because trans" erases all sense of reason. We can't acknowledge the very obvious link between the pedophile father, the trans identity, the "little" identity (barf barf barf), and the recreation of that whole dynamic over again with the pedophile fiance. Nothing to see here, folx! Pay no attention to the trans identity behind the curtain!

And I'm not talking about the usual suspects, who are dancing around what they really want to say - that they see nothing wrong with anything Aimee has done (or his fiance, when you push them hard enough). No, I'm talking about the many, many people talking about how Aimee was also abused by his father, and how of course his perspective was warped by it. And they're probably right! I have no doubt that being raised by the kind of person who'd imprison, torture, and rape a child fucks you up in countless ways. Yet these same people bleat about how it must have been *worse* for Aimee because trans, with zero acknowledgement that maybe, *maybe* the gender identity issues *aren't separate* from being raised by a pedophile who targeted young girls. It's not like young Ashton would have any *reason* to want to pretend to be a sexualized little girl to become what he thinks his pedo father wants, right?? Right????? Ugh. Once again "because trans" erases all sense of reason. We can't acknowledge the very obvious link between the pedophile father, the trans identity, the "little" identity (barf barf barf), and the recreation of that whole dynamic over again with the pedophile fiance. Nothing to see here, folx! Pay no attention to the trans identity behind the curtain!

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His father wore a dress and nappy and called himself a female name while he while he raped and tortured the child. His father was also a furry.

His son is also a nappy wearing furry who wears dresses and calls himself a female name. What a wild coincidence.

Hijacking the top comment to say:

He's been out online as a nappy wearing furry since he was 14, and, at 15, said he had been doing it since 9.

There’s absolutely no way his father didn’t abuse him, exposed him to inappropriate things at a young age and possibly had him participate in his fetishes/rapes. He was groomed online by other pedophiles considering he was in a “relationship” at 14 with men 10-20 years his senior.

That said, he’s no longer an underage victim. He’s a severely fucked up adult man who is an obvious danger to children. He needed therapy not other perverts giving him validation and power but he’s well into his 20’s now and is on the same path as his father.

I'm not defending him. I just pointed out that while people downthread talk about him being messed in the head which eventually manifested as paraphilias later in life, Ashton has been deliberately raised into a gross incontinent pedophile by his gross incontinent pedophile father.

His mother is also a nasty piece of work; it was her (not David or Ashton, as some sources claim) who called the victim a "lying little slut". She abused her older sons, who were taken into care as toddlers, and one of them transed out. Apple not falling far from the tree, all that. But in case of Ashton, the apple has rotten on the damn branch.

Many fucked up and abusive men have a history of being abused (not all though). This doesn't give them an excuse

Junior spent some time in the care system which does indicate that the authorities did not think the home environment was suitable (and it has to be bad to be taken from your parents).

Worth noting that Mrs Challenor is no saint and actually made negative remarks about the poor child her husband assaulted.

The whole family is trash.

Jesus Christ. Why are people so blind. Casting Aimee as just a victim is so clueless.

This is the problem with using female pronouns for him. A woman with a pedophile husband is just totally different optics than when you realize this is a man, with a male sexuality (ie male degeneracy).

Absolutely, this is the reason why I insist on using reality based pronouns, even in my day to day life

I feel like the female pronouns are the reason people are actually taking notice. Men on Reddit salivate at the thought of destroying a woman and this is a great opportunity.

We must not forget that most people still think the trans are all timid, lovely, flamboyant HSTS who just want to pee. I thought that until 2 years ago. They never got to see the material in "it's a fetish", all this stuff is banned on reddit. The normies think this is legitimately an outlier, one singular TIM who happens to be a sex offender. They don't know things like how 50% of TIMs in prison are there for sexual offences when for normal men it is only 20%.

I don't really have any suggestions, people would have up come here and look at the receipts but as they all think we're hateful bigoted TERFs who hate poor HSTS TIMs who are so lovely and oppressed, that's probably not going to happen. I saw them calling the factual article about this pedo horribly transphobic because they dare mention his sex.

The "good" thing is that these predator TIMs just can't help themselves, their degeneracy comes out sooner or later, look at the Sophie LaBelle creep. When all these public TIMs get caught with child porn maybe people will wake up.

[–] InsertWittyJoke 48 points Edited

Well if there's anything this story has shown me is that there's been a deliberate effort by certain trans pedophiles and pedophile adjacents to insert themselves into online LGB, teen and female communities to actively promote and elevate the trans agenda while stomping out any opinions that run counter to their goals.

And I cannot fucking believe I can say words like 'trans agenda' in a completely serious sense because how long has that been the talking point of right wingers and Christian conservatives to attack the gay community? But how can I deny the massive looming pile of evidence? I can't. Everything from giving trans special privileges in two x chromosomes that were not available to actual female members to how any opinion that isn't glorious celebration of trans identities would get you banned while actual pedophiles are allowed to run rampant is a blatant agenda that is being pushed on mainstream society.

I agree so much, it's like we all laughed at conservatives who predicted that gay acceptance will lead to pedophilia, degeneracy and a dystopian society. Who would have thought they were kinda right, just it wasn't the gays but the trans!

and the kicker - it'll be us LGBs who get blamed and have our hard won rights rolled back, not to mention a rise in societal prejudice against us again. sickening.

You should look up/listen to Douglas Murray on this. Conservative gay man. His thoughts are very well put i think.

When all these public TIMs get caught with child porn maybe people will wake up.

It's fucking crazy how Bardfinn admits to possession of child abuse imagery and literally nothing happens to him.

Uh hello, FBI? Yeah, you might want to check this psycho out. It's only a matter of time before we find the little bodies stacked up in his basement.

what do you mean the material in its a fetish?

There used to be a subreddit called r/itsafetish that served as an archive of trans people for whom being trans was a fetish. r/itsafetish was deleted with the rest of the gender critical/"transphobic" subreddits, so the archive of material (which included things like archived tweets, blogs, articles, and studies) is now gone.

Honestly it is incredibly sad - what a horrible childhood - no wonder he wanted to be the only thing his father was interested in. It doesn’t take a degree in psychology to work this out - pedophilia is what he thinks love looks like, and little girls are the ones who receive it, so he finds pedophiles who will pretend with him that he is a little girl instead of a deeply twisted, broken and dangerous young man.

I've started making a mental note of all the trans and dysphoric people whose story either contains abuse or a strict religious upbringing. It's most of them.

Back when I was a lib fem, I had noticed a lot of trans people with abuse in their past but just hadn't made the link.

Making the link as trans activists denies the concept of a gendered soul in the wrong body and approaches the difficult territory that human beings dissociate from their body when traumatised and that strict gender roles impose arbitrary standards that no complex human can fit fully into. So they ignore it.

I would love to see some proper academic research done on any correlation (causation?) between being a CSA survivor and the prevalence of gender distress and / or attraction to paraphilia in later life.

The links between CSA and adult anti-social behaviours such as addiction, violence and sexual violence are pretty well established I think. I wonder if trans comes into it at all.

Of course, such research will never be done in the current climate, so we'll just have to continue to wonder until the next arrest.

Half of those in prostitution/porn/dancers have been sexually abused. I was looking up statistics when I was told I have the "out of date" type of feminism by some 20 years old on Facebook when I said that sex work is not work.

Surprised it's as low as 50% tbh. If they weren't abused before entering prostitution then they sure as hell will be once they're in it.

Most people won't recognize what happened to them as abuse. They literally can't because they have no coping skills and would completely fall apart.

look, I'm just gonna say it: get a group of women of any background together, and at least 80%,if not more, will have been sexually abused. surely we all know this? please let's not pretend that sexual abuse is something only women on the most extreme fringes have to deal with, nor point to it as if it's some unique aspect to that demographic. it undermines the pervasive presence of sexual abuse in all our lives as well as others that demographic of women from the rest of us. abuse in the lives of women is ludicrously common and I'll take a stab in the dark a good percentage of us here have experienced it too, regardless of where we've come from.

Definitely would be interesting. All the people online I used to talk to that were into rape "kink" were raped. That showed me that all those "kinks" are harmless roleplays but the result of several trauma. But questioning that us being "sex negative" and we should "respect kinks!!". Ugh.

Shameless self-promo, but if you haven't, please check out a post I made two weeks ago. I feel like it might explain a part between the connection between his trans identity and pedophilia - and the reason why pedophilia seems so prevelant in the transgender community in the first place. Sorry if you're not allowed to link to your own threads, I really just want to give people an insight!

https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/21646/pedophilia-and-transwomen-a-perspective-i-haven-t-seen-mentioned-before

There is this subreddit:TGandSissyRecovery

I remember one of them linking a research paper that showed that transwomen tended to have higher levels of testosterone. A lot of them have sexual impulse issues or are AGP and take estrogen to manage it. I remember one poor poster's AGP addiction took over his life, he would take estrogen, lose his desire, stop taking estrogen, regain his desire until he gave in again (on repeat).

I don't mind the idea of estrogen being a possible treatment for a high, dysfunctional sex drive but it becomes dangerous when these men become untether from reality and start to believe their delusions. Plus, the fetishes these mens' minds latched onto to sate their sex drive, makes them a threat even when their sexual drive diminishes due to the psychological pull these fetishes have on them. You can't just jack off to something repeatedly and not be impacted by it even when you stop getting hard-ons; that conditioning doesn't go away.

I've believed for a while now that most TIMs and wannabes, if their sex drive was suppressed for 12-18 months, would likely desist/detrans. I'm no doctor, but I wonder if libido suppression (either temporary or longer term, depending on what the patient wants) combined with therapy to combat dysphoria/paraphilia and underlying factors, would be an effective treatment.

I'm imagining something like the lowest effective dose of some kind of libido suppressant, plus the kind of therapies that would be used for anorexia or other types of body dysmorphia or dysphoria. As the behavioral therapy becomes effective, taper off the dose of suppressant unless the patient thinks they'd be better off with it.

I can imagine people reading that description and thinking that sounds like a drastic treatment. I think transitioning is pretty drastic and requires a lifelong commitment to not only medications, but probably multiple surgeries. A treatment that allows patients an actual recovery, and a way to accept themselves and their circumstances in a healthy way (and treats issues underlying the dysphoria/dysmorphia/paraphilia), seems much kinder than forcing patients into lifelong roleplay, physical damage, and medical bills.

Good post, yet gross as well.

Estrogen, which is used in men who believe they are female, is not used to lower male sex drive. Typically, they use medroxyprogesterone (a different female hormone) or lupron depot (the same "puberty blocking" drug they want to shoot into children).

http://jaapl.org/content/jaapl/18/2/179.full.pdf - medroxyprogesterone https://www.researchgate.net/publication/326655510_The_Use_of_Leuprolide_Acetate_in_the_Management_of_High-Risk_Sex_Offenders - lupron depot

I'm a retired pharmacist, fyi.

I believe they did use estrogen in the olden days? Alan Turing was forced to take estrogen after his conviction for homosexuality which gave him breasts. (Not a pharmacist).

I'm guessing the goal in this case (whether they admit it or not) was to turn him into a woman.

TIMs on estrogen report a diminished sex drive, and at least one researcher on AGP (it might be Blanchard) has noted that AGPs are still attracted to themselves as "women" even after their sex drive diminishes. The researcher says its akin to still being in love with your spouse even after the sex dries up.

Erectile dysfunction is also more common for men on HRT, although that can be bypassed with Viagra, so these guys are not the harmless eunuchs they try to present themselves as to women.

I don't know if you can say Transness and his torture and CSA status is one to one thing.

I do think that a % of boys that are CSA victims will replicate the pedophilic cycle and create their own victims. There"seems" to be a sizable % of MAPs in the Trans women's Communities.

A perfect example is the Catholic Church and it's "genealogy" of pedophilic and aerophilic ( 12 - 17) priests.

What we do know about the Trans Spectrum men are the following:

1) They are the most sexual repressed population group.

2) That once they release the pressure valve of indecision, all bets are off of what psychosexual expressions they will exihibit.

Because the Trans Community has turned into a Cult which includes indoctrinated AFABs and young lesbians, there is rampant sexual assaults, sexual abusers and sexual predatory men. The young women don't even know that they are being emotionally and sexually exploited.

I wish I could take credit for these ideas but I've been reading an eye witness account.

https://medium.com/@kittyit/on-hurting-trans-women-a4a0ef1ef8d4 On Hurting Trans Women. How do you measure pain? | by Kitty ...

Embedded in the article, is WordPress article that lays out what a Manipulative Group is and the dynamics within the Community.

3) The highest paraphilia in Serial Killers is crossdressing.

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Holy shit. Did you read the last comment of the medium piece by nihilisticvanity???? What these men are doing to women is sick.

Yes they are. To me reading this, made me terroribly sad. It means the Lesbian Community doesn't have the background to detox these young women. We could provide the aftercare though.

It will be up to detransitioned TIF and Transmasc NBs. Even they need a year to detox themselves. We'll just have to wait and hope.

TIMs are genderfucked in their brains. But they still remain very very very very very very very very very very very very MALE./S

it has completely affected everything. infiltrated everywhere. when 95% of the women around me are insisting they're not women, that they're transmasc or nb or ANYTHING but women - criticism of any trans ideology threatens their own sense of identity. it is an IMPOSSIBLE environment to address the increasing fact TIMs are using more and more busted rhetoric to push back boundaries and demand access to lesbian women. plus everyone is terrified of being labelled a terf and pushed out. I have been around too long and am too well established for that to affect me, but a lot of younger women are really intimidated by it. the 'queer' community is honestly a nightmare dystopian landscape rn. EVERYTHING is centered on trans trans trans, you're surrounded by people on hormones or identifying as some type of trans, straight women are getting the spotlight on stage at lesbian events because they're 'enby' married to a male 'enby' calling themselves lesbian and gender conforming women who identify as 'demiboys' get up and do stand up routines about how all the straight men she has sex with don't even know they're 'a little bit gay'. and the whole room cheers and laughs. I will only engage with the community from a very boundaried place now, and have distanced myself from dozens of people I've known for years. they all have cult brain. the rate at which women around me, LB women I've known for years, over the age of 40, all started announcing on facebook that actually, they've been non binary this whole time and please only use they/them pronouns from now on really started alarming me. almost all of the femme identified lesbian women I know now claim they are nb and always have been. it's honestly SO bizarre and I just canNOT with it anymore.

tht's me. and yes, it's so so fucking sick. this TIM I speak of HATES women, violently. but he's passing himself off as 'butch' and forcing gnc women he rapes to declare they are "really a boy" during. I hate him so much and there's nothing I can do.

I love that article. I felt like it gave voice to everything I was feeling as I peaked and realised not a single one of these TIMs gives a FUCK about our pain and feelings.

Really felt sorry for anyone in Tcult who was born Female, because they are prey.

So no, the vast majority of rapes by TIMs will not be in bathrooms, changing rooms or locker rooms. It free range within LBTQ Communities.

I do think that a % of boys that are CSA victims will replicate the pedophilic cycle and create their own victims.

As a (female) CSA survivor, I've spent some amount of time in online spaces for survivors. Unfortunately, I have to agree with you.

One of the signs of CSA in children/youths is that a child will re-enact the trauma. It can be on an inanimate object (like a doll), an animal, or another child. It is not abnormal for children struggling to comprehend what has happened to them to try and recreate the experience to better understand it.

These re-enactments are usually sources of great shame and pain for survivors, for obvious reasons. For others, the re-enactments instead excite them. And it's something we just don't talk about as a society. We ignore how traumatic and life-altering it can be to survive CSA. It's especially challenging for children entering puberty/who have only recently gone through puberty, because their abuse may be the only sexual experience they have and they may have inappropriate responses to sexual stimuli as a result.

I am firmly of the belief that CSA survivors who do commit these re-enactments in direct response to their own abuse (i.e. not years down the line, or as an adult, but as a child processing what has happened to them) should not be blamed or punished, but instead corrected and supported with care and understanding. But even that approach can be seen as "victim blaming" (despite there potentially being a second victim, in the case of re-enactments involving other children, who also deserves dignity and support). No one likes to talk about how there is a cycle, because it turns victims into ticking time bombs that need to be defused. But we do. We need love, support, and care from our communities. All of us need to helped, or there will forever be people slipping through the cracks and perpetuating those cycles.

Our society does not model good behaviours for survivors. CSA survivors who are curious about sex, or who are hoping to learn how to differentiate "good" sexual behaviour from "bad" sexual behaviour, have very few resources. Sex "positivity," the widespread availability of hardcore pornography, and the normalization of sex "work" have changed our society's baseline for appropriate sexual conduct. It can be very difficult to convince someone who has been abused that what happened to them was bad and wrong when there are magazines coaching teen girls on how to degrade themselves to better please their boyfriends.

Every time we are silent, the roots burrow deeper. We can't undo what has happened, but we can move forward. And we can start calling things as they are. A victim can also be a perpetrator. Only when our society stops failing victims and the mental health and stability of all CSA survivors actually addressed will that no longer be true.

this article almost needs a trigger warning, and i am not wont to ask for such things, but sorry. The fact that a male, a man, beat a woman and got mad about her bringing it up..:(. Its literally a man beating a woman. Except where is the outrage? This whole thing is peaking me hard. Sick.

I know what you mean.

I know a TiM who became trans because of sexual abuse. He was gay and his dad abused him as a child and for some reason he got it into his head that the abuse by his father meant he was really female, otherwise, why would his dad rape him? He had SRS, it went badly and last I heard of him he was a mental wreck despite making lots of money.

I suspect a lot of TiMs have been abused as kids.

Seems to be a common belief amongst TIMs. Rape = female. Janet Mock claims in his book that being raped validated his femaleness so there you go. Trans is built in a foundation of misogyny.

[–] Tnetennba 12 points Edited

Not just TIMs, but everyone. It's why the general public is so outraged when a rape victim is male. Males aren't supposed to be raped like females are. 🙄

Literally all TIMs i know have been abused as children, although not sexual abuse in all cases.

Even the really masculine, military-types with narcissistic personalities? I find they become "trans" just to fulfill a fetish, not because they were abused. The more beta-ish men, yes, I can see them becoming trans because of trauma, but the narcissists just want to barge into women's spaces to get laid.

IME those men had pretty strict fathers, or very religious homes.

Yes. I know exactly such a macho man who is now ,,female'' and he was given a name that was formerly male but already becoming female when he was born--in honor of his father's friend who was a vet. Well, the guy I know, he wasn't super masculine as a kid. So his father used his name to bully him and say he was really a girl. And...through in a bunch of other emasculation, some sissy porn, and a failed military career... he seems to have finally just gone with the idea. He is extremely male, and less porn soaked, actually, than many other men I know (trans train or not). But he also knows that trans has capital and gets him work he otherwise did not.

Knowing him was my personal peak trans.

Aimee claims a "little" identity? That just says pedophile to me.

There’s at least one photo of him in a diaper. He and the other two dudes he sleeps have a ABDL thing going on. I think they’re furries too but I might have them mixed up with some other AGP perv. There have been so many.

To be honest, they all get caught up in the same fetishes over and over; they all seem to get their porn from the same places. I've been reading the Sophie Labelle thread over at KF and he seems to be a pretty common case. So it wouldn't surprise me if the magical trans+ABDL+furry combo repeated itself in Challenor.

I knew it. Welcome to women being blamed for things a real man has done.

Ironic this also reveals their hate boner for women. If the person name wasn't Aimee they wouldn't be protesting as hard. The icing is just that they are trans.

People are acting like mentioning anything about them being Trans is wrong. It will be glorious watching the self-destruction. I don't hold out hope it will last, but I can't wait to see their weak arguments. I can't wait until years later some smug men is going to try to paint women as bad as them, and we will prove it was one of them all along.

We need to keep track of ALL of these before they make "assigned" gender private.

[–] ThisReality 14 points Edited

Welcome to women being blamed for things a real man has done.

#TheseAreNotOurCrimes

The problem is people are likening trans to "gay", when they should be likening trans to "furry". Once you understand AGP as a paraphilia it's unmistakeable & there's no going back to thinking this is an innate and natural state of being in the way sexual orientation is. It's much closer to a furry fetish both in the way it expresses itself and the kind of people who fall into it. I often wonder what would happen if the government forced us to pretend that furries are real animals and how many people would play along.

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